LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The State lying!? Well I never! (Possibly to also cover intelligence methods and protect personnel and future operations.)
Basically when it comes to the details of this we're all flailing around in the dark.
The Islamic state
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The State lying!? Well I never! (Possibly to also cover intelligence methods and protect personnel and future operations.)
Basically when it comes to the details of this we're all flailing around in the dark.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh because as you imply the state can't be trusted.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
weak for you. you need some vim, you're stale
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I look forward to seeing Prince Charles hit by a drone strike
I've never trusted her but add twitter into the mix and you can see how this shit happens.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Not so much stale. I'm just still a bit shell-shocked at the 'get Syrian Interpol onto ISIS' thing!weak for you. you need some vim, you're stale
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no one has said that. because it would be a stupid thing to say. there is no such thing as 'syrian interpol'.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No, no. I noticed that!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you should have edited then.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I can't edit your posts.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you didn't need, as i didn't need to, as i haven't used the phrase.I can't edit your posts.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Which phrase?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
'syrian interpol'
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and they should have. or do you think that the syrians are no longer interested in crimes committed in their country? it would be preferable to the course of action chosen.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
You're suggesting something that (a) might not be possible, and (b) even if it were possible, might not have been workable given the timescale.
It's all very interesting, but it's pointless speculation with no knowledge of the actual reality of this situation.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
So how do the drone strikes work? How likely is it civilians get killed in them? The airwars site says hundreds have been killed. I don't give a shit about jihadis but i'd like to know my taxes aren't going to kill vast numbers of civilians and what (if anything) is done to ensure this is kept at a minimum.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
no, he's suggestting something so far outside the bounds of the reality on the ground in Raqqa that its a waste of not-precious electrons putting on the internet. what passes for the Syrian government has no more influence or power to dictate what should or should not happen to IS people in Raqqa than my four year old has on the existance or otherwise of Unicorns.
the Syrian police writ does not run in Raqqa, or in anywhere else these creeps were likely to go. suggesting otherwise is mendacious stirring.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think they're probably aware that they've got a few criminal types within their borders at the moment and, given other current distractions, that the concerns of the UK security services regarding a couple of Brit terrorists deep inside ISIS held territory probably wouldn't top their to-do list.
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yes. There were 3 Brits killed but one was killed by the Americans. Two by the RAF.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
OK, but Osborne said that the "evil" Assad regime had to be tackled. They almost did so a couple of years ago (the original bombing proposal, which was defeated). We know how these things can spiral out of control, especially as Russia is now involved specifically on Assad's side. The more countries/factions are involved surely the more likely it is at some point his forces will be hit 'by accident' and it will escalate from there, especially as tensions with russia are so high atm. And we know how difficult it is to keep the 'mission' to ISIS only - look what happened to div 30?
hash tag
Books, not bombs
This report states three killed by RAF drones on 21st August
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-syria-david-cameron-announces-10490049.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-syria-david-cameron-announces-10490049.html
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
they work in exactly the same way as a manned aircraft does - ROE are the same, weapons are the same, aircrew are the same and sensors and targetting are equal. they have two advantages: they have far greater endurance than any UK operated combat aircraft so they can stay overhead and get better situational awareness, and secondly no one - except the Treasury - cares if one gets shot down.
in broad terms the initial 'steer' would have been electronic, whether SIGINT on a phone number, or just this twat putting 'i'm in Raqqa - look at my new house - love to mum' on his facebook. follow that up with lots more SIGINT to build a picture of when and where he posts/calls and mesh that with imaging int to determine what locations could be good ambush points and which would fall well outside current ROE through a Collateral Damage Estimate (CDE). then its just waiting until you get a hard fix on the target at a place your CDE says is unlikely to involve civilian casualties, or uneccesary civilian casualties (can of worms) and you have an asset overhead to do the strike.
i wouldn't be surprised if either the whole op had taken 6 weeks or was much more than a target of opportunity and took 48 hours. sometimes stuff falls into your lap and sometimes its an interminable wait to get all the bits in the right place.
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DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Well, they obviously knew these two fuckers were in a particular car so thats probably HUMINT/SIGINT. A chubby young man at RAF Waddington will have pressed the tit to release the weapon. The ordnance used in this particular attempt to make us all safer was a dual mode Brimstone which is very accurate and has a 9kg warhead. The Reapers are launched and recovered from "somewhere" in the Middle East by a different crew.
Very.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Hellfire or brimstone which is a British missile have a dual mode that can keep coallaterial damage to a minimum as these targets were in a car presumably they waited till they were clear off other road users before killing them.
That's the advantage of drones and no aa defences worth anything you can take your time have a cuppa and some biscuits while plotting someone's death.
That's the advantage of drones and no aa defences worth anything you can take your time have a cuppa and some biscuits while plotting someone's death.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
From what I've read one person was specifically targeted, and in the attack two other people were killed, one of whom turned out to be another UK citizen. And they were all killed in the same strike on 21st August carried out by the RAF using a Reaper UAV.
And in a separate strike carried out by the US in August another UK citizen was killed.
I think...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
He was already reported to be killed in july or maybe that was a mistake? Al baghdadi has been reported to be killed about ten million times.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
So its not like one of assads barrels? Someone can be driving along in a car and then get hit and it wont hurt anyone else except the people in the car?
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