existentialist
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Just be glad that you're so much better than us
The Combat 75 Military Surplus Thread. Past, present and future.
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Just be glad that you're so much better than us
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Plenty still get PTSD remembering that paintball excursion - urban75's very own Hamburger Hill (with Parsley garnish)
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Man I remember my time in ‘Nam - (Totten nam that is)Plenty still get PTSD remembering that paintball excursion - urban75's very own Hamburger Hill
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Shriven'am for me....
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
YOU WEREN'T THERE MANPlenty still get PTSD remembering that paintball excursion - urban75's very own Hamburger Hill
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Plenty still get PTSD remembering that paintball excursion - urban75's very own Hamburger Hill (with Parsley garnish)
That's understandable but . . . if you search Google for 'airsoft' one of the top UK results is for some bunch of incels running an airsoft team called 'The Wolfpack'.
You want to let them get away with that?
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That was roughly the conclusion of the Sandhurst War Games, in 1974: that the Germans would have made it across the Channel and established a beachhead, but wouldn't have been able to sustain the cross-Channel supply lines in the face of the RAF and Royal Navy throwing everything they had at them.
In terms of military surplus hardware, have a battleship, HMS Vanguard:
Vanguard was pretty much surplus before she was even finished, and for a while was known as Portsmouth's most expensive luncheon club before she was scrapped in 1960.
More Vanguard porn.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
They were going to use towed river barges on the open ocean then be released towards beaches. The channel is a tough piece of water with tough currents and tides. Given that and likely strong winds its most likely the whole debacle would have foundered en route or been snarled in each others streams of barges. How in the name of god you affect an opposed beach landing in unpowered barges is beyond me. A few people here will have experience of trying to beach and unload a boat in a swell. Now try to image that you are a river barge full of horses (they would have had to transport a huge number of horses) in a river barge that is being towed, released in the direction of the beach and hopefully coasts up to a landing, then getting the horses off the "boat" and into being useful for towing the artillery your mate is trying to offload of another barge. From a transport perspective (this is the transport sub) Sealion was among the most insane operations planned by a professional general staff. These are the same people who a year later decided to invade the USSR using basically the petrol they had nabbed from the French in the hope the Soviets would just give up and give them more petrol to carry on invading.
German logistics planning in WWI and WWII truly and utterly sucked.
I am going to have a little bit of a rant but when ever "best general of WW2" comes up its usually a tussle between the German "stars" and Zhukov and however can remember names like Rokossovsky, Konev etc. The Anglo Americans tend to get over looked, or that they were somehow playing with "cheat codes". The US, UK and other western allies absolutely nailed their logistics and intelligence. Once they had got their shit together by mid 42 there fuck ups were few and far between (Market Garden, Anzio). The western generals are not remembered as "great" generals because the social, economic and political systems behind them put everything into ensuring they fought with the best kits, the most kit and the best intelligence against an enemy was was being ruthlessly degraded from a horrific bombing offensive that soak up and destroyed most of the enemies productive capacity.
Best general of WW2? General Motors. Do not fuck with countries that make more cars than you, they will shortly be making more tanks than you.
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IIRC the barges were modified by pouring 8 inches or a foot of concrete into the bilges to make a flat floor. I’d always supposed the plan wasn’t for an opposed beach landing but to follow up a surrender with troops on the ground in Kent.or even essex?
Agree on the logistics, in my Top Trumps of WW2 generals it would be Slim. And he always said his success was down to logistics.- not that my military experience goes beyond having an Action Man as a kid. - and the helicopter pilot one at that...
What’s the supposed quote from Uncle Joe?
British Intelligence
American steel
Russian blood...
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The novel-like bit of writing by Sprocket. on the Cold War thread made me think of Brixmis, a really interesting bit of Cold War history.
en.wikipedia.org
Apologies for the Wiki link, there's a few other bits about if you look deeper, here for example
British Commanders’-in-Chief Mission to the Soviet Forces in Germany | BRIXMIS
BRIXMIS - Wikipedia
Apologies for the Wiki link, there's a few other bits about if you look deeper, here for example
British Commanders’-in-Chief Mission to the Soviet Forces in Germany | BRIXMIS
Here's a ram-schip (Dutch)
ESP - 93a UK - MMR : HNLMS Buffel [1 of 4] par StoneRoad2013, on ipernity
somewhere, I've got some snaps of a visit ti HMS Warrior when it was in Hartlepool ...
I think I'm right in saying that despite the craze for rams in the nineteenth century, only one large warship was ever sunk by one, and that was when Admiral George Tryon buggered up a manouevre in 1893 and collided with another British battleship:
Another bit of pre-Dreadnought surplus, HMS Canopus:
Canopus was thoroughly obsolete and on the scrap line when World War I broke out, but like a lot of old warships was reactivated with a scratch crew composed mainly of reservists, and was sent off down to South America to support Kit Cradock's cruiser squadron in its upcoming encounter with a superior German force. Winston Churchill argued she'd be 'a citadel around which the cruisers would find absolute security,' a notion which Eric Grove characterises as 'amateurish even by Churchill's standards.' Even in good condition Canopus was flat out at 18 knots and therefore of no use to a cruiser squadron which manoeuvred at 23, and on the way down there her engines developed some sort of fault which led her captain to inform Cradock he could only make 12 knots, though it seems her chief engineer might have exaggerated the problem. Cradock concluded she was a dead loss and set her to protecting his colliers while he went off for his disastrous encounter with von Spee at the Battle of Coronel.
After Cradock's defeat Canopus was moored at Port Stanley to protect the harbour, and was still there a month or so later when Doveton Sturdee arrived with the battlecruisers that should have been sent to deal with von Spee in the first place. The fleet was taking on coal when von Spee came over the horizon and could have been badly shot up before it could clear the harbour, were it not for Canopus opening fire. Canopus's captain had been training his crew at the guns and they were still loaded with dummies, but one of them ricocheted off the water and hit the funnel of von Spee's flagship. Von Spee had no way of knowing it was a blank fired by an inexperienced crew who'd normally struggle to hit a barn door at fifty paces: all he knew was that he was under accurate fire from 12" guns, and he turned and ran, giving Sturdee's fleet time to cast off the coal barges and put to sea. By the end of the day von Spee and most of his squadron were at the bottom of the South Atlantic.
Sturdee's fleet wasn't all ultra-modern battlecruisers, and included a few elderly armoured cruisers, including HMS Kent, a sister ship of Cradock's flagship:
Kent was badly short of fuel, not having finished coaling when von Spee hove into view, but nevertheless chased down and sank the German light cruiser Nurnberg. Reputedly the stokers took great pleasure in burning the furniture from the officers' quarters...
Canopus was thoroughly obsolete and on the scrap line when World War I broke out, but like a lot of old warships was reactivated with a scratch crew composed mainly of reservists, and was sent off down to South America to support Kit Cradock's cruiser squadron in its upcoming encounter with a superior German force. Winston Churchill argued she'd be 'a citadel around which the cruisers would find absolute security,' a notion which Eric Grove characterises as 'amateurish even by Churchill's standards.' Even in good condition Canopus was flat out at 18 knots and therefore of no use to a cruiser squadron which manoeuvred at 23, and on the way down there her engines developed some sort of fault which led her captain to inform Cradock he could only make 12 knots, though it seems her chief engineer might have exaggerated the problem. Cradock concluded she was a dead loss and set her to protecting his colliers while he went off for his disastrous encounter with von Spee at the Battle of Coronel.
After Cradock's defeat Canopus was moored at Port Stanley to protect the harbour, and was still there a month or so later when Doveton Sturdee arrived with the battlecruisers that should have been sent to deal with von Spee in the first place. The fleet was taking on coal when von Spee came over the horizon and could have been badly shot up before it could clear the harbour, were it not for Canopus opening fire. Canopus's captain had been training his crew at the guns and they were still loaded with dummies, but one of them ricocheted off the water and hit the funnel of von Spee's flagship. Von Spee had no way of knowing it was a blank fired by an inexperienced crew who'd normally struggle to hit a barn door at fifty paces: all he knew was that he was under accurate fire from 12" guns, and he turned and ran, giving Sturdee's fleet time to cast off the coal barges and put to sea. By the end of the day von Spee and most of his squadron were at the bottom of the South Atlantic.
Sturdee's fleet wasn't all ultra-modern battlecruisers, and included a few elderly armoured cruisers, including HMS Kent, a sister ship of Cradock's flagship:
Kent was badly short of fuel, not having finished coaling when von Spee hove into view, but nevertheless chased down and sank the German light cruiser Nurnberg. Reputedly the stokers took great pleasure in burning the furniture from the officers' quarters...
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
You can tell Putin's in domestic trouble because he's launched another carrier project. This time with CGI instead of the usual balsa model.
T & P
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I hope she will boast better CO2 emissions than their current flagship...You can tell Putin's in domestic trouble because he's launched another carrier project. This time with CGI instead of the usual balsa model.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
They do put very stylish bows on their ships, those Russians.
That's the smokescreen to hide them
Looks like one of their military caps.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Documentary on Slim and the Siege of Kohima on Yesterday right now.
It's on Yesterday today...
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Thanks for the dreadnought/battleship posts.
Pub quiz type fact: Thunderer Road by the Thames estuary in Dagenham . . .
. . . is named after the dreadnought HMS Thunderer, launched at the Thames Ironworks in Poplar in 1911.
Pub quiz type fact: Thunderer Road by the Thames estuary in Dagenham . . .
. . . is named after the dreadnought HMS Thunderer, launched at the Thames Ironworks in Poplar in 1911.
Thanks for the dreadnought/battleship posts.
Pub quiz type fact: Thunderer Road by the Thames estuary in Dagenham . . .
. . . is named after the dreadnought HMS Thunderer, launched at the Thames Ironworks in Poplar in 1911.
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There's also Warspite Road in Woolwich, named after HMS Warspite:
Come to think of it, there are various Barham Roads too. Certainly there's one here. I assume they're named after Charles Middleton and not the battleship named after him, which came to a very sad end:
A380
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There's also Warspite Road in Woolwich, named after HMS Warspite:
Come to think of it, there are various Barham Roads too. Certainly there's one here. I assume they're named after Charles Middleton and not the battleship named after him, which came to a very sad end:
859 people dead brings the reality home.
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This is the latest abyss I’m standing on the edge of. Radio controlled armed age of fighting sail warships.
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