The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion

[weltweit]

I wonder if the fact that financial services were largely omitted from this deal and why crux points revolved around fishing, were because Barnier is a former French fisheries minister? Perhaps there will be a new EU chief negotiator when financial services are on the table?

 

[gosub]

Musicians Union have been campaigning on this for the last few years, it is not an issue the government was unaware of

Well its put on 100,000 signatures since then which can't hurt

 

[editor]

What an amazing deal!

 

[Pickman's model]

What an amazing deal!

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Have you just time travelled direct from 2016? Just checking what this deal actually means, I know the ramifications, just checking they are the same as before today. This And this Are 100% True now? Fucking shame if they are. Just want confirmation.

www.urban75.net

 

[Winot]

I wonder if the fact that financial services were largely omitted from this deal and why crux points revolved around fishing, were because Barnier is a former French fisheries minister?

No

 

[brogdale]

I wonder if the fact that financial services were largely omitted from this deal and why crux points revolved around fishing, were because Barnier is a former French fisheries minister? Perhaps there will be a new EU chief negotiator when financial services are on the table?

More to do with fish being something that all punters know about, unlike the GDP contribution that derives from invisible earnings from the service sector.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Reading the various twatter comments on the deal it seems like the conservatives just wanted to say a deal had been done as soon as possible so gave it bare minimum it needed to get signed. There's still a vast chunk of details to sort out and this deal isn't the full deal or indeed a good deal.

But whatever brexits done, time for the press to focus on battler Boris and his awesome skills.

 

[TopCat]

The Guardian put forward nuclear weapons as being something not diminished by Brexit.

The Guardian view on Britain’s global role: shrinking around Brexit | Editorial

Editorial: In a world of superpower rivalry, the UK must urgently rebuild the strategic alliances that were sabotaged by its departure from the EU

www.theguardian.com

 

[NoXion]

Not sure what the UK's nuclear arsenal has to do with the EU. It's the Yanks who hold that particular leash.

 

[rutabowa]

Not from China? Alibaba and Ali Express?

And ebay. Either UK or China. UK business sellers probably get more stock from the EU though... but I guess businesses have different importation rules anyway.

 

[rutabowa]

Post rates have just gone up again massively, so that has killed selling eg records abroad... not sure how linked that is with brexit though, as all the increases were this year... maybe they were preemptive.

 

[brogdale]

Some interesting quotes in this Guardian piece about politics in the former 'red wall' Notts mining towns, including these reflections on Brexit:

...although he and his wife, Christine, a former care assistant, are “comfortably off”, he voted leave in the EU referendum, hoping it would be a catalyst for change for the area. “I just thought things couldn’t get any worse for a lot of people round here and maybe it would lead to more internal investment if we left.”

“I was never a lover of the EU. I always thought it primarily represented the interests of bosses, big business and the banks, it rarely did anything for ordinary people. I accepted that it could initially put the British economy in a tough position, but I thought we could get a deal like Norway has. I never voted leave for a no deal.”

Now, Whitehead says, “I’d probably vote differently,” if given the opportunity again. “We also underestimated how it has in some ways ‘legitimised’ xenophobia and racist opinions.”

“We’ve opened Pandora’s box. In the pub, they say things like ‘If they [foreign workers] are in our factories we haven’t got control. We want them out. Brexit is our way of getting those people back to where they came from.’ I challenge them but it gets really nasty. People feel emboldened to say things they wouldn’t have done before.”

“Why should we do what other countries tell us? All these foreign countries want to do business with us – they can’t afford not to. Most people don’t like change, but they’ll get use to it,”

 

[brogdale]

From today, the post office are recommending the use of customs declaration forms, CN22 or CN23, detailing the type of good, its value and its weight for posting parcels to the EU including Ireland:

 

[The39thStep]

From today, the post office are recommending the use of customs declaration forms, CN22 or CN23, detailing the type of good, its value and its weight for posting parcels to the EU including Ireland:

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Some times you have to fill in a form like this in Portugal if you have been sent some items from the States or China in order for Portuguese customs to clear it.

 

[Sprocket.]

Some interesting quotes in this Guardian piece about politics in the former 'red wall' Notts mining towns, including these reflections on Brexit:

I hear the arguments put forward by the ex-miners in this article most days and concur with the views given. Living in the former mining communities it’s forever in your face how much Thatcher did to fragment the local communities. But Blair’s New Labour and the Labour Party that created must also shoulder much of the blame.

 

[brogdale]

I hear the arguments put forward by the ex-miners in this article most days and concur with the views given. Living in the former mining communities it’s forever in your face how much Thatcher did to fragment the local communities. But Blair’s New Labour and the Labour Party that created must also shoulder much of the blame.

Yep, over 43 years of continuous and overt neoliberal governance brought us here.

 

[Pickman's model]

I hear the arguments put forward by the ex-miners in this article most days and concur with the views given. Living in the former mining communities it’s forever in your face how much Thatcher did to fragment the local communities. But Blair’s New Labour and the Labour Party that created must also shoulder much of the blame.

By the labour party new labour created you mean newer labour?

 

[Pickman's model]

The Guardian put forward nuclear weapons as being something not diminished by Brexit.

The Guardian view on Britain’s global role: shrinking around Brexit | Editorial

Editorial: In a world of superpower rivalry, the UK must urgently rebuild the strategic alliances that were sabotaged by its departure from the EU

www.theguardian.com

So we'll have aircraft carriers without aircraft and nuclear weapons we can't use unless uncle says yes

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, over 43 years of continuous and overt neoliberal governance brought us here.

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One of his eyebrows booed him, the other cheered

 

[two sheds]

By the labour party new labour created you mean newer labour?

"New New Labour" could be a winner or yes "Newer Labour"

 

[brogdale]

"New New Labour" could be a winner or yes "Newer Labour"

Reminds me of simpler times when the swivel-eyed loon fraternity were content with shouting ZaNu Liebore into the void.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Neu! Labour

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I hear the arguments put forward by the ex-miners in this article most days and concur with the views given. Living in the former mining communities it’s forever in your face how much Thatcher did to fragment the local communities. But Blair’s New Labour and the Labour Party that created must also shoulder much of the blame.

Exactly. We heard these arguments and points being made over and over again in the run up to the last GE and over Brexit. Well, when I say ‘we heard these arguments’ some of us did.....

 

[brogdale]

Neu! Labour

New, improved Labour

 

[kabbes]

Labour will make us free.

 

[Sprocket.]

New, improved Labour

Torylite?

 

[brogdale]

Torylite?

I can't believe it's not....

 

[Raheem]

I can't believe it's not....

...better.

 

[two sheds]

Going to make ordering mushrooms from the Netherlands a bit trickier

"Agricultural goods - Commercial sample" with their own HS tariff no.

Hasty disclaimer: not that I ever have done

 

[tommers]

From today, the post office are recommending the use of customs declaration forms, CN22 or CN23, detailing the type of good, its value and its weight for posting parcels to the EU including Ireland:

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Just made my job more painful.