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[ska invita]

Is calling the French dirty a London thing I wonder , never heard it in Manchester and it’s never come up in conversations in Portugal .

I've heard it on tv

 

[philosophical]

English is a lot of people's second language though. So there might well be 25 million or whatever Polish speakers or 70 million Italian speakers, but 200 million English speakers

I am not suggesting those English speakers stop speaking English.
I have suggested a possible benefit of Brexit, dropping English as one of the 'working languages'.
It might not happen regrettably.

 

[gosub]

Xmas 21 shouldn't (touchwood) be a tiered affair.
Rows about Brexit will be less vitual affairs.

 

[teqniq]

Archived Petition: Seek Europe-wide Visa-free work permit for Touring professionals and Artists

We would like the UK Govt to negotiate a free cultural work permit that gives us visa free travel throughout the 27 EU states for music touring professionals, bands, musicians, artists, TV and sports celebrities that tour the EU to perform shows and events & Carnet exception for touring equipment.

petition.parliament.uk

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Tbh the labour party have been absolutely abysmal throughout the past four years so there's no real chance on them doing anything reasonable now. If I was a remainer labour voter I'd be thinking how much attention they pay brexit voters and how little the millions of labour voters who wished to stay in the EU. I think sss will prove a worse leader than Corbyn who managed in two elections to attract more votes than Blair in 05, brown in 10 and miliband in 15

I'm seeing some squawks on tweeter that suggest that having pissed off labour-leave voters before the election, sir keith whatnot is now pissing off labour-remain voters in just as big a way

 

[The39thStep]

I've heard it on tv

Not , I hope, in Coronation Street

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Archived Petition: Seek Europe-wide Visa-free work permit for Touring professionals and Artists

We would like the UK Govt to negotiate a free cultural work permit that gives us visa free travel throughout the 27 EU states for music touring professionals, bands, musicians, artists, TV and sports celebrities that tour the EU to perform shows and events & Carnet exception for touring equipment.

petition.parliament.uk

How's about we all get that? You know, free movement and working rights for everyone across Europe.

That's the single biggest thing that we've lost. It's the one thing I'm fucking bitter about.

 

[gosub]

Archived Petition: Seek Europe-wide Visa-free work permit for Touring professionals and Artists

We would like the UK Govt to negotiate a free cultural work permit that gives us visa free travel throughout the 27 EU states for music touring professionals, bands, musicians, artists, TV and sports celebrities that tour the EU to perform shows and events & Carnet exception for touring equipment.

petition.parliament.uk

signed and shared

 

[The39thStep]

I am not suggesting those English speakers stop speaking English.
I have suggested a possible benefit of Brexit, dropping English as one of the 'working languages'.
It might not happen regrettably.

Nothing like a bit of blue sky thinking

 

[tommers]

Well that’s an excellent recipe for retaining Remainers , Labour recruiting former Lib Dem’s , totally writing off the ‘red wall’ and further losing working class support . So job done pal .

The vote was 52/48.

Tories/UKIP are overwhelmingly leavers.
Labour are also apparently mostly leavers?
Lib Dems were remainers but there are about 50 of them.

So where are the other 16 million?

 

[Gramsci]

There is another thread just started for sensible questions and discussion on that topic.
This thread is more a constant redredging of shit and general fling it about sort of thing.

A sensible question.

Last week I was having a chat with one of the few workmates who is Brexit. Though he does not go on about it.

He asked me what I thought. I did say that EU regulations hinder states giving what EU defines as state aid. I see it all the time in local Council docs. Not my Councils fault. Every action/policy of Council has to have approval of legal/finance side to make sure it does not constitute "state aid".

This is one of the most worst aspects of being in the EU. Its pure Neo Liberalism

So in your knowledge does the deal mean that these EU strictures against state aid are gone?

 

[The39thStep]

The vote was 52/48.

Tories/UKIP are overwhelmingly leavers.
Labour are also apparently mostly leavers?
Lib Dems were remainers but there are about 50 of them.

So where are the other 16 million?

Dunno , where are they hiding ?

 

[Gramsci]

Well that’s an excellent recipe for retaining Remainers , Labour recruiting former Lib Dem’s , totally writing off the ‘red wall’ and further losing working class support . So job done pal .

In my area ( inner London) working class are Remain.

Inner London stuck by Labour and is the new Red Wall.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tens of millions speak Spanish, or Italian, or French or German or Polish.
I have not suggested making Flemish one of the so called 'working languages'.

No argument in this post

 

[The39thStep]

In my area ( inner London) working class are Remain.

Inner London stuck by Labour and is the new Red Wall.

Well hail the new Red Wall. If I was in the U.K. I’d will stick to Northern Independence rather than Paul Masonville

 

[Kaka Tim]

How's about we all get that? You know, free movement and working rights for everyone across Europe.

That's the single biggest thing that we've lost. It's the one thing I'm fucking bitter about.

Same. As much for my kids as anything. What a thing to throw away in return for.... well, dogshit, basically.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

does the deal mean that these EU strictures against state aid are gone?

Not sure.

One of the pro-brexit arguments put forward from the left was that EU rules stop nationalisation / 'state aid', hence in part some trade unions (including some in the railway sector) being pro-brexit - although I also saw articles arguing that was not the case and I'm not expert enough to say which is correct, or whether it would have come down to court hearings about the specifics of any case that had happened.

I've also seen it stated that if we had ended up on WTO terms, the WTO wouldn't have allowed it

I'm not sure how this fits with the concept of 'divergence' - again may come down to arguments about future specific cases.

 

[Gramsci]

Well hail the new Red Wall. If I was in the U.K. I’d will stick to Northern Independence rather than Paul Masonville

Pretty insulting to refer to section of working class who are Remain as living in Paul Masonville.

Many of them had no say in the Referendum. My partner didn't

 

[The39thStep]

Pretty insulting to refer to section of working class who are Remain as living in Paul Masonville.

Many of them had no say in the Referendum. My partner didn't

Wouldn’t wish to insult your partner , but the notion that Labour is a social democratic pro Remain party is Mason’s .

 

[brogdale]

Tesco telling us that the Brexit deal will not be a significant driver of food price inflation, but appeared to accept that larger corporations like his will be better placed to absorb the costs of non-tariff barriers than smaller companies.

Any changes to food prices after Brexit are likely to be "very modest indeed" under the deal struck between the UK and the EU, the chairman of Tesco has said.
John Allan told the BBC that it would "hardly be felt in terms of the prices that consumers are paying".
He said the deal was a "good outcome" and far better than no deal.
But he said the main benefit was that it removes a distraction from business and government.
When reports last month suggested that there might not be a post-Brexit trade deal, Mr Allan had warned that food prices could rise between 3% and 5%.

 

[TopCat]

A sensible question.

Last week I was having a chat with one of the few workmates who is Brexit. Though he does not go on about it.

He asked me what I thought. I did say that EU regulations hinder states giving what EU defines as state aid. I see it all the time in local Council docs. Not my Councils fault. Every action/policy of Council has to have approval of legal/finance side to make sure it does not constitute "state aid".
I have not seen the detailed text to be fair. Only @ska invita has read it. I think.
This is one of the most worst aspects of being in the EU. Its pure Neo Liberalism

So in your knowledge does the deal mean that these EU strictures against state aid are gone?

I will read it in detail and come back to you.

 

[TopCat]

In my area ( inner London) working class are Remain.

Inner London stuck by Labour and is the new Red Wall.

Oh fuck.

 

[Serge Forward]

Okay I am learning something I was not previously aware of this Directive on Sick Pay.

It would come under the regulations on less favourable treatment: The Part-time Workers (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000
So basically, if full time workers get something like occupational sick pay, holuday pay, etc, the part time workers must also be entitled, or the employer is in breach of the European regulation.

 

[TopCat]

I'm just asking him a simple straightforward question. I've no idea why you're getting all worked up about it. It's got fuck all to do with you. And the 'stinking up of the thread has been mainly caused by you and others constantly shoving in their oars.

Oh dear.

 

[TopCat]

Absolutely. It's not the opposition's job to enable the government's policies. The government is supposed to command a majority in the House to do that with.

If the opposition go against what most voted for they fuck their credibility.

 

[Pickman's model]

If the opposition go against what most voted for they fuck their credibility.

If they vote with the govt for a poor deal they lose all credibility

 

[TopCat]

No not at all , I was just asking if you were in a union .

An answer came not, just froth..

 

[TopCat]

If they vote with the govt for a poor deal they lose all credibility

Well they should have taken a turn to the workers earlier.

 

[Dogsauce]

Yes, I did. I specifically mentioned sick pay entitlement for part-time workers, which was zero and is now equal to that of full-time workers. Look it up. The same directive gave part-time workers equal holiday entitlement - ie the 20 days a year pro rata. Before that, part-time workers didn't even get paid for bank holidays.

Wasn’t just part time, full time on temporary contracts got fuck all too. The year before the directive came in I had eight (week) days off in total including bank holidays (I worked a few of them), did a few Saturdays too. And that was working for the well-unionised civil service, directly employed not agency. It did make a difference for some of us.

 

[Winot]

I don’t understand the logic that says that a vote in favour of the deal is a vote in favour of Brexit (this is what anti-Brexit Labour is claiming). Brexit has happened. The choice now is between the (crap) deal and no deal.