The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Sort of vision that will resonate in every working class area in the U.K.
ska invita
back on the other side
only for three months grace period, no?
Brexit: Further details on Irish sea border 'grace period'
Food travelling from GB to NI post Brexit will not be subjected to EU health checks until April.
www.bbc.co.uk
It seemed to me like an odd way to define sovereignty, specifically. Until I then considered the arch-neoliberal ideology behind it, at which it made perfect sense. There is no group identity, just the self — a self that is highly individualised, atomised, commodified and marketed. It’s not the sovereignty of the group, it’s the sovereignty of the individual. There is no such thing as society.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
ISWYM, but it's worse than that IMHO.
It's pure neoliberalism, seeing the individual merely as a factor of production to be shipped around according to the whim of capital.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The Tories vision being a similar, if much larger scale, version encompassing the entire globe, with added wealth defence in tax havens.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yay for neoliberalism, eh?
The sole saving grace, however, is that some people at least seem to see that coming. Without thinking there is an EU deus ex machina, there is at least a chance they may be less complacent about it happening.
ska invita
back on the other side
work travel and study are not the preserve of neoliberalism - theyve been what people do for thousands of years
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
From what I've seen, there is not a single bit of it that is better than what was there with EU membership. More restrictions on people, fewer protections for people. Abstract theorising about the nature of the EU doesn't change those immediate, concrete consequences.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Same here. Mind you, I haven't actually read any of it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, it's a good door stop
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Nor have I. But I never read my doorstops
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Indeed, but when it comes from the mouthpiece of the neoliberal supra-state it's possible to discern that the 'travel' element equates to the geographical mobility of jobs and labour demanded by neoliberal capital or the commodified tourist business. And study relates to the compulsory period of debt-farming that fincap demands is imposed as a right of entry into the labour market.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Has anybody been able to read the deal yet?
I suspect not really and we are going by bits and pieces getting out.
What seems to be the case is that a bad deal is better than no deal. A no deal being the worst outcome.
Again what information we are getting seems to say that in every respect the future situation will be worse than being in the EU.
The open land border in Ireland looks like it is remaining, so that is one border that has not come under UK control (every dot and tittle my arse) which is good thing.
The nightmare is just beginning though.
I suspect not really and we are going by bits and pieces getting out.
What seems to be the case is that a bad deal is better than no deal. A no deal being the worst outcome.
Again what information we are getting seems to say that in every respect the future situation will be worse than being in the EU.
The open land border in Ireland looks like it is remaining, so that is one border that has not come under UK control (every dot and tittle my arse) which is good thing.
The nightmare is just beginning though.
ska invita
back on the other side
The nightmare is ancient and is not ending any time soon
merry xmas philosophical
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yet people still want to work and study. People still want to move around. The way these things have been commodified may stink, but narrowing the options for people within the system isn't actually helping them.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Oh yes, I've always regarded the choice put to the UK electorate as an alternative shit sandwich offer.
ska invita
back on the other side
why? theres perfectly good british jobs and british schools for british people in britain. we'll have no trouble here
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's there that we'll have the trouble
Supine
Newt Member
My freedom of movement has been taken away from me. You might not be bothered but i am.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
As I understand it, if the UK undercuts then the EU can retaliate by increasing tariffs, but only to the extent it is allowed to do so by an independent dispute resolution body who will look at what is reasonable and proportionate (fuck knows how that will work in practice).
editor
hiraethified
Amen, bro'. And let's not forget how Brexit empowered racists and xenophobes. That's one of the lasting legacies of this fucking idiotic idea.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Have a big remoan hug. Then move on.
In a world that has been built for nearly five decades for the U.K. around being part of the EU, it is no great surprise that leaving the EU leaves the UK in an inefficient state and woefully Ill-prepared administratively, resulting in a negative state of affairs. What those bemoaning this fact never seem to grapple with, however, is that those who want to leave aren’t thinking about what it is like the day after Brexit. They probably know it’ll be worse that day. But they think that ten years of building the country around not being in the EU will result in something better than continuing becoming ever more entangled for another ten years. In many ways, the divorce metaphor really is apt. Nobody is better off the day after breaking up.
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