The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Is he advocating no deal now ?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The fish always suffer
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I can’t speak for other supporters of ‘Leave’ but there’s really nothing to have gone into hiding about. Firstly, the political decision to support exit from a dying neo-liberal trading bloc was correct both as a matter of political economy and in terms of being on the same side of the debate as the working class. Nothing has or will change in that respect. Secondly, in respect of a ‘deal’ it was an inevitability. Most of the speculation and so on we’ve seen on this thread is mainly coming from continuity remain and adds nothing to the teleological currents that gave rise to the vote.
While I’m here I’ve just been been sent a copy of Perry Anderson’s LRB article - now that is worth discussing....
Perry Anderson · Ever Closer Union?
Can democracy, sovereignty and globalisation be happily combined? What American examples show is that European elites...www.lrb.co.uk
Looks interesting but its behind a paywall.
gosub
~#
Only on Brexit. They've got major un resolved issues regrding the EUro and fiscal structure/mechanisms. The Covid reboot will bring them into sharp contrast..
I know you were being sarcastic, and somebody else but as saying we've negotiated a worse position. But I think it is like that. Say we got on a train coz you wanted to to Liverpool, it's a nice warm train and the passengers staff reasonably convivial, but it becomes apparent the train is going to Edinburgh.... We got off the train and are standing on a cold platform in the middle of nowwhere....Yes its cold and uncomfortable but were no longer headed towards a destination which we didn't want to go.
bimble
floofy
Only time will tell I suppose, whether Edinburgh is a worse place to be than liverpool. I find it hard to imagine that ten years from now it would seem preferable for most of the inhabitants of the EU to be 28 countries all fending for themselves. Maybe the whole thing will fail, and the uK will have dodged some kind of train crash. tbh I’ve never understood the Euro, how that makes sense, and still don’t.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
No offence, but that is a crap analogy. No-one ever asked me if I wanted to go to Liverpool in the first place. No-one asked me where I wanted to get off the train in the meantime. And anyway, lots of the other passengers were going to other destinations.
(Actually we were going to go on holiday to Liverpool in March, but cancelled because of Covid)
mauvais
on reddit or something
Safer to go with, 'pêche in our time'. Piscine might mean 'of fish' to you but I think you might want to check the contract again to see if there's anything about regular maintenance of the filter.
Cloo
Banana for scale
So, was the plan all along, play chicken until the last minute then celebrate any old shit deal as 'victory', or was it 'Go for "defiant" no deal... but ooohh shit... things are looking really bad better make any old shit deal'?
Or more likely there was never plan, let's face it.
I will be pleased that there is some kind of deal, which might at least avoid some of the shorter-term pain a No Deal would have causes. I will not ever be fucking 'grateful' for the achievement of swapping a pretty good deal for a more shit one just to solve an intra-Tory fracas.
Or more likely there was never plan, let's face it.
I will be pleased that there is some kind of deal, which might at least avoid some of the shorter-term pain a No Deal would have causes. I will not ever be fucking 'grateful' for the achievement of swapping a pretty good deal for a more shit one just to solve an intra-Tory fracas.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
Thank fuck for that. 
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Hopefully not a victory parade ..
My opinion of Ursula Von Der Leyen increased a great deal when I heard her saying that she was working to make an agreement with an old and valued friend.
A viable agreement will be a win win for both parties.
There does not have to be a victor, or a loser.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yossarian
⏭️
"We have delivered this great deal for the entire United Kingdom in record time." 
I guess since nobody's negotiated an exit from the EU before, 4.5 year is technically a record - maybe Johnson will run with the idea and say nobody's ever negotiated a better exit deal, and polls show the public have never been happier about one.
I guess since nobody's negotiated an exit from the EU before, 4.5 year is technically a record - maybe Johnson will run with the idea and say nobody's ever negotiated a better exit deal, and polls show the public have never been happier about one.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
“Killed yer Nan”
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
neonwilderness
What would Badgers do?
1/6th more fish in five years time?
Well worth all the hassle
Well worth all the hassle
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
I've never understood why they treat the "up all night" stuff as evidence they are working really hard. Why would we want the future of the country to be decided by a bunch of people who haven't had enough sleep?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Holy shit, that was actually a pretty good question from Kuenssberg, proper flummoxed the dickhead.
Aaaaaand now Peston; much like the grid sees a surge at half time when everyone sticks the kettle on, I bet there's the same surge when Peston starts his 'question'.
Aaaaaand now Peston; much like the grid sees a surge at half time when everyone sticks the kettle on, I bet there's the same surge when Peston starts his 'question'.
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