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[Raheem]

We have won 100% of the UK's share of the anchovy harvest so pop outside now and sing

Think that might be optimistic.

 

[bimble]

Is it actually happening that the content of the deal has been leaked to guido faulks and that’s where all the info is coming from.

 

[Pickman's model]

Think that might be optimistic.

Yeh I'm not sure what bimble's voice sounds like

 

[Winot]

Free movement of goods (in which the EU has a surplus). No deal on services (in which the UK has a surplus).

 

[bimble]

Yeh I'm not sure what bimble's voice sounds like

Quite bad, fortunately I have no immediate neighbours.

 

[Winot]

Is it actually happening that the content of the deal has been leaked to guido faulks and that’s where all the info is coming from.

Only the bits they want the ERG to read.

 

[Pickman's model]

Quite bad, fortunately I have no immediate neighbours.

Go and sing right outside the house of that utter shit who left his dog

 

[Pickman's model]

Only the bits they want the ERG to read.

The one-syllable words for the conservative cro-magnons

 

[The39thStep]

Well yeah; scare the bejesus out of the population with apocalyptic visions and, of course, they'll buy the lesser shitshow. Almost like that was the "strategy" all along?

On these boards the apocalyptic visions have come from continuity remain to be fair.

 

[agricola]

Staines pumping the sort of 2 World Wars & 1 World Cup bollocks we're gonna be fed all day today and thereafter until 2024.

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"we won the possession"

 

[Pickman's model]

"we won the possession"

And of course Johnson can point to the victory in portsmouth

 

[ska invita]

Disaster version was for No Deal, which isnt happening so we'll never know

 

[Pickman's model]

Disaster version was for No Deal, which isnt happening so we'll never know

Let's wait till the deal is confirmed before writing off no deal

 

[Roadkill]

Is it actually happening that the content of the deal has been leaked to guido faulks and that’s where all the info is coming from.

Bits of it seem to be disappearing already...

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Plucky Boris, skilfully negotiating us into a world beating position of being worse off than we were before.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bits of it seem to be disappearing already...

Like the memory of a dream

 

[agricola]

And of course Johnson can point to the victory in portsmouth

or the Victoire, as it will now be patriotically known under this deal

 

[Flavour]

I think one of the hopes for left-leavers was for this to weaken the EU and threaten its existence, which, while impossible to rule out, does not seem imminent. There are voices clamoring for their own exit in almost every member state but generally tiny minority and largely fash. The human rights situation with Poland and Hungary seems just as much of an existential crisis for the EU as brexit, if not more. The potential banking collapses in Italy (a sword of damocles hanging over Europe for many many years and far from resolved) would also pose a much more serious threat.

 

[Pickman's model]

Plucky Boris, skilfully negotiating us into a world beating position of being worse off than we were before.

Until he is dead and his body consumed by penguins no one will ever be sure that he won't again repeat this amazing success

 

[two sheds]

Bits of it seem to be disappearing already...

All of it seems to have disappeared now. Is there a screenshot?

 

[bimble]

I think one of the hopes for left-leavers was for this to weaken the EU and threaten its existence, which, while impossible to rule out, does not seem imminent. There are voices clamoring for their own exit in almost every member state but generally tiny minority and largely fash. The human rights situation with Poland and Hungary seems just as much of an existential crisis for the EU as brexit, if not more. The potential banking collapses in Italy (a sword of damocles hanging over Europe for many many years and far from resolved) would also pose a much more serious threat.

Other countries’ interest in leaving the EU has dropped across the board I thought, over the years of watching things play out here. That might change again once we are ‘prospering mightily’ but for now the block looks stronger without the uk in it.

 

[philosophical]

Pretty sure this Brexit deal applies to the UK, not just England.

Have you seen any details?
Do you think Northern Ireland will be treated the same as another part of the UK like Dorset.
There are some long standing technical details regarding stuff in and out of Northern Ireland do you imagine just those things continue as before, and otherwise for Northern Ireland things will be exactly the same for the rest of the UK?

 

[Pickman's model]

Other countries’ interest in leaving the EU has dropped across the board I thought, over the years of watching things play out here. That might change again once we are ‘prospering mightily’ but for now the block looks stronger without the uk in it.

We will be forever known as plague island

 

[platinumsage]

Have you seen any details?
Do you think Northern Ireland will be treated the same as another part of the UK like Dorset.
There are some long standing technical details regarding stuff in and out of Northern Ireland do you imagine just those things continue as before, and otherwise for Northern Ireland things will be exactly the same for the rest of the UK?

Of course not, I was simpy highlighting that the deal affects the whole UK not just England, in reference to a post which claimed the "whole country" would support the deal.

 

[brogdale]

The turnout apparently 72.2%, 46.5m.

Of those registered to vote, yes; that's some 51% of the population.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of those registered to vote, yes; that's some 51% of the population.

What do you think the population of the UK is?

Official stats have it round 66.7m, where are the other 25+m?

 

[bimble]

A bit of detail here, but still all from that document with ‘we won’ written all over it.

Boris Johnson to claim victory in Brexit talks, leaked paper reveals

Document drafted in attempt to sell deal to Brexiter MPs suggests PM’s negotiators got their way on 43% of key issues

www.theguardian.com

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I'd like to give some respect to TopCat as pretty much the only one of urban75's lexiteers who hasn't gone into hiding over the past few weeks.

I can’t speak for other supporters of ‘Leave’ but there’s really nothing to have gone into hiding about. Firstly, the political decision to support exit from a dying neo-liberal trading bloc was correct both as a matter of political economy and in terms of being on the same side of the debate as the working class. Nothing has or will change in that respect. Secondly, in respect of a ‘deal’ it was an inevitability. Most of the speculation and so on we’ve seen on this thread is mainly coming from continuity remain and adds nothing to the teleological currents that gave rise to the vote.

While I’m here I’ve just been been sent a copy of Perry Anderson’s LRB article - now that is worth discussing....

Perry Anderson · Ever Closer Union?

Can democracy, sovereignty and globalisation be happily combined? What American examples show is that European elites...

www.lrb.co.uk

 

[SpookyFrank]

The whole country is weary of this. They will almost certainly support the deal no matter what's in it.

I'm reminded of this line from Heller's Catch-22:

"The alternative, and there was an alternative of course, was to starve."

 

[Lurdan]

All of it seems to have disappeared now. Is there a screenshot?

That twitter thread is currently archived here

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