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One thing I don't understand about the Brexit negotiations is whatever has happened to the disagreements about the "Level Playing Field". Is that all agreed now? Has the UK effectively agreed to abide by EU regulations foreever. If so why are the Brexiteers not a teeny bit upset about this. I thought that not following EU regulations was one of the motivations for Brexit. Why has it gone so quite on the Level Playing Field?
 
toblerone3 said:
One thing I don't understand about the Brexit negotiations is whatever has happened to the disagreements about the "Level Playing Field". Is that all agreed now? Has the UK effectively agreed to abide by EU regulations foreever. If so why are the Brexiteers not a teeny bit upset about this. I thought that not following EU regulations was one of the motivations for Brexit. Why has it gone so quite on the Level Playing Field?
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I think the agreement on level playing field is more like, if the UK starts to degrade workers pay and rights then the EU does reserve the right to raise tariffs on those or other items to level the playing field. My understanding was that up till recently UK didn't agree with EU's right to raise tariffs in that case.
 
weltweit said:
I think the agreement on level playing field is more like, if the UK starts to degrade workers pay and rights then the EU does reserve the right to raise tariffs on those or other items to level the playing field. My understanding was that up till recently UK didn't agree with EU's right to raise tariffs in that case.
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It would be extremely interesting to hear the detail of that aspect of the agreement. When will it be discussed? What specific rights and pay levels of British workers are being protected?
 
toblerone3 said:
It would be extremely interesting to hear the detail of that aspect of the agreement. When will it be discussed? What specific rights and pay levels of British workers are being protected?
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We won't know fully until an agreement is reached and published, but it's likely to be the same range of social rules as the UK is bound by now, with the exception of free movement of people. So, the immediate thing will be the the status quo and an agreement not to lower standards. The difference will be that the sanction for breaking the rules is currently a fine, and that will change to having tariffs imposed. There may also be additional rules about consulting trade unions for certain types of legislation, because the EU has to do that under its own rules.
 
Isn't it more than just writing across the status quo. Isnt "the level playing field" also a dynamic thing that in the sense that it means that Britain even outside the EU will have to following EU regulation as it changes if it wishes to avoid the imposition of tariffs. In essence Britain by leaving the EU would go from a "rule maker" to a "rule taker".
 
toblerone3 said:
Isn't it more than just writing across the status quo. Isnt "the level playing field" also a dynamic thing that in the sense that it means that Britain even outside the EU will have to following EU regulation as it changes if it wishes to avoid the imposition of tariffs. In essence Britain by leaving the EU would go from a "rule maker" to a "rule taker".
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It is quite fair that if we want to supply goods into the EU, they have to comply with EU standards. For example the CE mark. Japanese and American companies have to comply with this as we will have to also.
 
toblerone3 said:
Isn't it more than just writing across the status quo. Isnt "the level playing field" also a dynamic thing that in the sense that it means that Britain even outside the EU will have to following EU regulation as it changes if it wishes to avoid the imposition of tariffs. In essence Britain by leaving the EU would go from a "rule maker" to a "rule taker".
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Yes in all likelihood, but that's additional, which is why I said "the immediate thing".
 
I think there will be a deal, 'we' have moved from demanding 60% of the fish to 35% of the fish. The EU was demanding 25% of the fish.
If this is actually about fish at all, then it sounds like the last bit of the dance.
The alternative is that it wasn't really about fish, was about avoiding having to define a brexit in any concrete form, which was always going to mean compromise and specifics, after promising people that we would have sunlit uplands and rule the waves.
 
bimble said:
I think there will be a deal, 'we' have moved from demanding 60% of the fish to 35% of the fish. The EU was demanding 25% of the fish.
If this is actually about fish at all, then it sounds like the last bit of the dance.
The alternative is that it wasn't really about fish, was about avoiding having to define a brexit in any concrete form, which was always going to mean compromise and specifics, after promising people that we would have sunlit uplands and rule the waves.
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I think there's a big element of the latter. Every time Brexit has been defined in a 'concrete form,' even unrealistically, those most committed to it have thrown their toys out of the pram. Think how many variants of it have foundered on that rock, ranging from EEA membership (which of course May took off the table in 2016), May's deal, the 'Malthouse Compromise,' and so on - most of them torpedoed by hardliners looking for a fantasy 'perfect' Brexit. They'll turn on Johnson too if a deal is done in the next few days - the ERG are already signalling this - and if it isn't they'll do their usual thing of denying any responsibility and arguing that Brexit just wasn't done properly.
 
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King Charles the Second granted Bruges fishermen up to 50 boats the right to fish in UK waters in perpetuity.
Will that be a charter broken in limited and specific ways?
 
philosophical said:
King Charles the Second granted Bruges fishermen up to 50 boats the right to fish in UK waters in perpetuity.
Will that be a charter broken in limited and specific ways?
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