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The Bicycle Racing Thread 2014

So no Wiggins at la Vuelta? Take it that's him *actually* done with grand tours then?

I think I've said this before...Though it makes sense that we all stop pretending he might (and if he does, be any kind of force - many people forget he has turned up before without being arsed and (literally) not been at the races - I only had the dream alive for the Tour as he would love to show Froome he's still got it).

If his last stop before retiring is the track (yaaaaawn) in Rio, then only an the hour record and Roubaix are a) grand/worthy enough to motivate him (a massive ask/risk, knowing our Brad) and/or b) fit in with the physical changes and training required to be in the running for the gold. I can't see 19 (The superagency he's signed to)/Brailsford letting him do low level 7 day processions leading out the 2nd tier Sky hopefuls for the next few years.

I think the hour record is the more feasible of the two. The P/R is a classic (ahem) example of a sport where you need a whopping amount of planets to be in alignment AND have one of your luckiest days in the saddle. I don't think it's the sort of thing you can target and then call yourself a favourite (indeed by doing so you'd simply get marked out of the game).

Although it is my favourite of them all. If he wins PR I think my Wiggo fandom fawning might even take me over the edge :cool::thumbs::facepalm:

Surprised Froome is doing the Vuelta tbh. On armchair-fan-paper it's hard to see past Quintana (and therefore a damn tough effort to finish second). Stranger things have happened though...
 
He won't take on the hour even with the rule changes IMHO-there isn't the hunger for the pain needed to prevail. Tony Martin or Phinney are more feasible candidates.
 
Predictions for the Vuelta then?

I've had a small flutter e/w on Barguil @ 201.00 but that was as much hope as anything. Bet365 don't have any other markets up yet so I'll hold off until they do before lumping on Froome if necessary.
 
UKAD report on JTL makes for interesting reading. Especially as it seems that JTL's medical expert is the same as in the Kreuziger case.
 
UKAD report on JTL makes for interesting reading. Especially as it seems that JTL's medical expert is the same as in the Kreuziger case.

I'm not sure that the JTL case will shed much light on more complex passport cases: his defence had the basic, insurmountable problem of a single wildly improbable without blood doping blood test. There's a lot more room for the creative expansion of doubt where the evidence against is based on the interpretations of fluctuations over extended periods. JTL had a test result that was the bio passport equivalent of getting caught with his hand in the jar.

This has nothing to do with UKAD's evidence, but out of curiosity, was anyone even slightly surprised when he was popped? His was a classic zero to hero transformation at an advanced age.
 
The incident by the way makes Sky look downright incompetent. It appears they carried out no blood testing on a rider who had just come from nowhere to be the next big thing before signing him for big money.

Garmin, who were also interested in signing him, had already blood tested him once and wanted to carry out a series of further blood tests before making him an offer.
 
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I'm not sure that the JTL case will shed much light on more complex passport cases: his defence had the basic, insurmountable problem of a single wildly improbable without blood doping blood test. There's a lot more room for the creative expansion of doubt where the evidence against is based on the interpretations of fluctuations over extended periods. JTL had a test result that was the bio passport equivalent of getting caught with his hand in the jar.

This has nothing to do with UKAD's evidence, but out of curiosity, was anyone even slightly surprised when he was popped? His was a classic zero to hero transformation at an advanced age.

Less to do with whether a stronger case can be made for Roman, as whether Dr Hampton is the person to be arguing that case. I might be being a little unfair - as you say he had little to work with in the JTL case.

Can I raise my hand to say to say I was surprised? That was as much to do with not properly understanding the Bio-passport though - figured his performances that had been raising eyebrows looked increasingly suspicious the longer he went without coming close to repeating them on a team like Sky with their scientific approach, but didn't realise that he would have been tested the previous year, or that discrepancies would show up in hindsight as they did.
 
Predictions for the Vuelta then?

I've had a small flutter e/w on Barguil @ 201.00 but that was as much hope as anything. Bet365 don't have any other markets up yet so I'll hold off until they do before lumping on Froome if necessary.

I don't know, but I've just looked at the odds and Quintana, Froome, Bertie and Purito are well ahead of anyone else.
 
Why on earth are ITV4 putting on an old Bond film shifting the Vuelta highlights back so they clash with MOTD? I'll watch the highlights and then switch over in the hope that all I'll have missed is half an hour of Lineker puns.
 
Bearing in mind the season they have had, sky must be desperate for something in spain. Especially with it being in spain, i shudder when i hear about certain riders having a good day after a bad day yesterday and also when i see the likes of contador and evans doing so well. Am i just being cynical or what?
 
Bearing in mind the season they have had, sky must be desperate for something in spain. Especially with it being in spain, i shudder when i hear about certain riders having a good day after a bad day yesterday and also when i see the likes of contador and evans doing so well. Am i just being cynical or what?

Evans? Do you mean Valverde? Evans is neither doing well nor a rider who copped a ban in the past.

The good day/ bad day thing is a feature of cycling that goes way back before the advent of blood doping. If anything the absence of bad days is a more notable feature of full throttle doping.
 
Evans, despitd his age, has had a couple of better than expected days i reckon. I thought he was ripe for hanging up his cleats last season.
 
Quintana taking a tumble in the TT. Looked a lot worse than it was, but he's probably going to take a packet.
 
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