The Ashes 2009
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tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Rain expected at 3pm today apparantly.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Good comparison.
tangerinedream
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We realised that two of them were Liam Plunket and Chris Tremlett and the others who weren't the above, well their arms and legs fell off or their brains fell out.
Finger crossed for Jimmeh!
TrippyLondoner
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I am deliberately ignoring that(already knew) bit of information and hoping we get a full days play.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
*obligatory lament for Simon Jones*
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Sometimes Collingwood looks better than Broad.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Er, he was bit wild, but brilliant with swing once a year - he doesn't always get in the Durham team so there he's got Harmison, Davies and Onions ahead of him and presumably also for England. He ran through someone earlier this year, can't remember who but I do remember it was his first game for a while.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Bopara is able to hold a cricket ball as well.
liquidlunch
fargonebeauty
What happened to him?Did he or someone close to him do something dodgy?I remember thinking he was a usefull sort of player.
All of which means that there is no point having a bowler in the side unless you know that you will have the confidence to give them the ball for 30 overs. Otherwise you might as well just get a proper batsman in and be done with it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Broad isn't express pace. That's ok, neither was McGrath. But at their pace – low to mid 80s – you have to get your line and length right pretty much all the time, as McGrath did, and then be able to wobble it off line. Again, McGrath didn't move the ball too much, just enough to get the edge.
As a very similar type of bowler, Broad obviously suffers greatly in the comparison.
As a very similar type of bowler, Broad obviously suffers greatly in the comparison.
tangerinedream
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My recollection was, he looked great for a game or so, then he bowled like Saj Mahmood but worse for a few games and then disappeared.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I prefer Mahmood. Either way, I'm sure there are plenty of bowlers out there who could muster better bowling figures than Broad. Maybe he can bat a bit but we won in 2005 with four total ferrets at the bottom of the order. We've now got Prior, a proper batsman, keeping wicket and Flintoff in fair nick with the bat as well, what we need at number eight is a proper wicket taking bowler, not a half-arsed all rounder.
TrippyLondoner
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Tbf, anyone would probably suffer greatly in comparison to mcgrath.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Stuart Clark did alright in his audition for 'Australia needs a new Glen Mcgrath' in 2007...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
True, but bowlers who aren't properly fast, or don't have the ability to really swing the ball, have much smaller margins of error.
Late-career Curtly Ambrose is another - again not top pace, not a big swinger of the ball, but metronomically accurate.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, and what he has in common with McGrath and late-career Ambrose is that when they were not taking wickets, they kept it extremely tight and built up pressure. Broad singularly fails to do that, so he can't even find a role as a stock bowler.
liquidlunch
fargonebeauty
Curtly used to bring it down from about 9 feet in the air at your chest and he was very quick tbf
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
http://stats.cricinfo.com/countycri...areer.html?class=4;host=1;id=2009;type=season
Actually, it seems Plunkett has played more than I thought this year.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Late in his career, he bowled at low 80s mph – he wasn't very quick for the last five or six years of his career. And Broad may not be as tall as Ambrose, but he is as tall as Clark or McGrath and should be able to get enough bounce to trouble the batsmen if, and only if, he can consistently put it in the right place.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Oh aye, I couldn't agree more. To be fair, Broad did find some suprising pace in the winter, but I think that's kind of confused him as to what kind of bowler he needs to be.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If he's going to continue in the side, it's Otis Gibson's job to get him right. Gibson was himself a very accurate bowler, so he should be able to do something.
TrippyLondoner
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From cricinfo: Ponting's moaning about the ball. Reckons it's gone out of shape, but the umpire tells him to get back in his box.
hahahahaha
what a twat
