the all new 2005 who's taking a trip to holloway thread
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i thought it amusing that not 30 minutes after Thora telling Pie Face and i what had happened, and me commenting that by Monday it would have been exaggerated greatly, i heard a couple of punks in the band room at Okupational Hazard stating that there had been 'cop cars on fire and hundreds of arrests'.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
my bookfair
well, i had a lovely bookfair chatted o lots of old faces, even soem old friends, bought some stuff, checked different groups out (notably met Larry O'Hara) and went to a couple of meetings. Meeting 1 = future for libertarian media. I would like it if meeting organisers would come with their proposed answer to their own question rather than just 'opening up to the floor' - i came to learn and discuss, i have no experience IN the libertarian media. In the end a crap meeting, derailed slightly by [forgotten his poster name] pointing out the wombles banning from libcom. Held back from just saying, 'Look, you're an anarchist, these poeple are COMMUNISTS, they do not neccessarily support the idea of anyone saying anything at any time, and have clearly demonstarted they are AT ODDS with your politics so why do you care whether you can post on their website?'
Spent a lot of time manning a stall, and missed some meetings i wanted to go to - got roped into dong a stall minutes bfore the anarchist assembly. Went to the social centres and coops one but it was FULL, so must have been a good un. Went to the anti ID one and it was pretty good, looks likje pwople are going to do something - got lots of people to write ''www.defy-id.org'' on their bank notes (make fun if you must) then and there which was alright.
Saw a comrade i haven't seen since palestine, promised to meet me in the pub but didn't get the chance. Got to pub, couldn't peak to some mates as they were with some right bastard, so talked to other mates instaed. many drinks were bought for me, never had a chance to buy one back. Looked up and their were coppers outside. never saw the system, thought it was an in house band when i heard a chord or two. Went to look at the cops, nothing happening. Asked what everyone was doing, the vast majority of us were leaving to avoid trouble, which i thought was wet at the time but now respect. However as i left i saw fracassing galore and the pigs WAY out of their depth. There was however a lack of consistency in our attitudes: most people confrinatational, but almost none ready to finish it. We definitely could have. This lead to the usual shove from cops - shove back - de arrest cycle, that eventually gets someone nicked. If they had got a full on crowd it would have been over in minutes. Some cops did get done, entirely their fault for not just fucing leaving it. Saw one cop attacking a guy in glasses, he tripped or got done from behind and they both fell. Helped the guy up and walked him to safety, went back for his glasses lense (he seemed in a bad way) and found the copper sprawled on he floor with his eyes screwed up. Went to pinch his baton, remembered i am pending trial and (can't believe i did this) kind of helped him! Kind of picked him up and asked if he was hurt. Told him to fuck off back in his van and not bother us... Not that last part was an afterthought. Oh well.
like on all situations in london, no one knew how far anyone else would take it so nno one knew what was going on. Just standing around and shoving mostly.
To max freakout:
I understand where you are coming from, i used to feel the same way and often do. people are incredibly stupid with the cops in the @ movement and rarely treat them as they sould be treated - with utter contempt, but with discretion being the better part of valor. I don't oubt that 'we' were the first to shout at the cops or maybe even push them. But you must look at it this way: what right have they to clear the pub? What right have they to tell us what to do just becuase they have a uniform from a governenment we do not recognise? No it wasn't smart, and a lack of smartness is unforgiveable, but for that half hour our direct and real opposition to the govt. was clearly fucking visible.
I believe their are 100 and 1 ways to express it better, but fighting back against idiot cops who are calling us out is the 102nd. Don't be turned off from anarchism over this, but ask yourself why you are interested in it in the first place: do you believe that their will always need to be a police force and prisons? Do you believe we need one now?
well, i had a lovely bookfair chatted o lots of old faces, even soem old friends, bought some stuff, checked different groups out (notably met Larry O'Hara) and went to a couple of meetings. Meeting 1 = future for libertarian media. I would like it if meeting organisers would come with their proposed answer to their own question rather than just 'opening up to the floor' - i came to learn and discuss, i have no experience IN the libertarian media. In the end a crap meeting, derailed slightly by [forgotten his poster name] pointing out the wombles banning from libcom. Held back from just saying, 'Look, you're an anarchist, these poeple are COMMUNISTS, they do not neccessarily support the idea of anyone saying anything at any time, and have clearly demonstarted they are AT ODDS with your politics so why do you care whether you can post on their website?'
Spent a lot of time manning a stall, and missed some meetings i wanted to go to - got roped into dong a stall minutes bfore the anarchist assembly. Went to the social centres and coops one but it was FULL, so must have been a good un. Went to the anti ID one and it was pretty good, looks likje pwople are going to do something - got lots of people to write ''www.defy-id.org'' on their bank notes (make fun if you must) then and there which was alright.
Saw a comrade i haven't seen since palestine, promised to meet me in the pub but didn't get the chance. Got to pub, couldn't peak to some mates as they were with some right bastard, so talked to other mates instaed. many drinks were bought for me, never had a chance to buy one back. Looked up and their were coppers outside. never saw the system, thought it was an in house band when i heard a chord or two. Went to look at the cops, nothing happening. Asked what everyone was doing, the vast majority of us were leaving to avoid trouble, which i thought was wet at the time but now respect. However as i left i saw fracassing galore and the pigs WAY out of their depth. There was however a lack of consistency in our attitudes: most people confrinatational, but almost none ready to finish it. We definitely could have. This lead to the usual shove from cops - shove back - de arrest cycle, that eventually gets someone nicked. If they had got a full on crowd it would have been over in minutes. Some cops did get done, entirely their fault for not just fucing leaving it. Saw one cop attacking a guy in glasses, he tripped or got done from behind and they both fell. Helped the guy up and walked him to safety, went back for his glasses lense (he seemed in a bad way) and found the copper sprawled on he floor with his eyes screwed up. Went to pinch his baton, remembered i am pending trial and (can't believe i did this) kind of helped him! Kind of picked him up and asked if he was hurt. Told him to fuck off back in his van and not bother us... Not that last part was an afterthought. Oh well.
like on all situations in london, no one knew how far anyone else would take it so nno one knew what was going on. Just standing around and shoving mostly.
To max freakout:
I understand where you are coming from, i used to feel the same way and often do. people are incredibly stupid with the cops in the @ movement and rarely treat them as they sould be treated - with utter contempt, but with discretion being the better part of valor. I don't oubt that 'we' were the first to shout at the cops or maybe even push them. But you must look at it this way: what right have they to clear the pub? What right have they to tell us what to do just becuase they have a uniform from a governenment we do not recognise? No it wasn't smart, and a lack of smartness is unforgiveable, but for that half hour our direct and real opposition to the govt. was clearly fucking visible.
I believe their are 100 and 1 ways to express it better, but fighting back against idiot cops who are calling us out is the 102nd. Don't be turned off from anarchism over this, but ask yourself why you are interested in it in the first place: do you believe that their will always need to be a police force and prisons? Do you believe we need one now?
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
Yes that was ernism. Monty is working class, which is why he is somewhat angry at others of my background beng more 'workerist' than him you see. All this shit about haircusts i don't know...Geri said:I'm confused. I thought you went to a public school.
maybe that was an Ernestolynchism though
I’m interested in this phrase “life stylers”, I heard it said outside by someone who said something like “bunch of fucking lifestylers, don’t they realise that everyone knows it takes then fucking hours to get ready, you can’t look that scruffy without hours of work”.
Do people mean by lifestylers the stereotypes that turn up at events like this? What do people mean?
Do people mean by lifestylers the stereotypes that turn up at events like this? What do people mean?
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
Fucknose.
Lifestylism's the general idea that to bring about social change you must make different lifestyle choices on an individual level - like dropping out, squatting, or ethical shopping, being vegan, abandoning personal hygiene etc. Best typified by CrimethInc. (www.crimethinc.com)Epicurus said:
Montevideo's just muddying the water by using big words he doesn't understand, poor fella. It's not worth responding to anything he claims cos anyone I give a shit about knows that he's full of it. It's a shame his life's so empty he has to fill it with his obsession with us really...
get a grip
if someone had turned on a soundsystem in mcdonalds would you be so upset?
weatherspoons are bastards, and largely responsible for destroying working class pub culture with their horrible formulaic huge venues which suck the life out of all the other pubs in the area - the words legitimate target spring to mind
so someone turned on what was little more than a ghetto blaster and then turned it off and left cos it pissed off the locals
it was 10 minutes after the soundsystem had left that the cops turned up, and then it was only a handful of 'em until folk got aggro with them
this was not 'do what you want anarchy' it was a small, fluffy and imo quite funny action
we used to close motorways
if someone had turned on a soundsystem in mcdonalds would you be so upset?
weatherspoons are bastards, and largely responsible for destroying working class pub culture with their horrible formulaic huge venues which suck the life out of all the other pubs in the area - the words legitimate target spring to mind
so someone turned on what was little more than a ghetto blaster and then turned it off and left cos it pissed off the locals
it was 10 minutes after the soundsystem had left that the cops turned up, and then it was only a handful of 'em until folk got aggro with them
this was not 'do what you want anarchy' it was a small, fluffy and imo quite funny action
we used to close motorways
Top Dog
Well-Known Member
YOU get a grip
who was the target then? Wetherspoons - oh yeah the wetherspoons empire shuddered at the prospect of half a dozen naughty kids playing some music in one of their establishments... Those that know me know i avoid wetherspoons at all costs normally (coz they're shit, not coz its a political statement)... but i do know that their principal customer base (low income, often pensioners) were the ones that were affected by these numptys, who when challenged, couldnt make the grown up decision to retreat... but rather continued what then became an inevitable escalation leading to the cops arriving and the stand off. I watched the whole thing and even before the staff came over, i could have scripted the unfolding of later events.
Dressing it up as an 'action'' is utterly unconvincing. It was just about naughtiness and 'breakin the rulez' with no consideration of the consequences. Send em to their rooms...
oh so it was a political act now was it? what a load of horse shit...smokedout said:
who was the target then? Wetherspoons - oh yeah the wetherspoons empire shuddered at the prospect of half a dozen naughty kids playing some music in one of their establishments... Those that know me know i avoid wetherspoons at all costs normally (coz they're shit, not coz its a political statement)... but i do know that their principal customer base (low income, often pensioners) were the ones that were affected by these numptys, who when challenged, couldnt make the grown up decision to retreat... but rather continued what then became an inevitable escalation leading to the cops arriving and the stand off. I watched the whole thing and even before the staff came over, i could have scripted the unfolding of later events.
Dressing it up as an 'action'' is utterly unconvincing. It was just about naughtiness and 'breakin the rulez' with no consideration of the consequences. Send em to their rooms...
max_freakout
Nothing matters
Taxamo Welf said:
Thanx for that Taxamo, it certainly couldnt put me off anarchism i believe the way the world is now, something like anarchism seems utterly inevitable in the not too distant future. And besides that i thought the bookfair itself was a real eye-opener, not to mention very well-organised( a well organised anarchist event - is this a contradiction in terms?). As far as a world without prisons, i like the JFK quote something like "every society gets the criminals it deserves".
But is it possible/credible to maintain an interest in anarchism if i have NO desire to get truncheoned over something like a soundsystem in a pub?
Emma Herself
let me be your office boy
I still love monte more than anyone else on this thread. It's the way he can just read me, and manage to know everything about my background after having actually spoken to me in real life probably once, about 2 and a half years ago. It cuts me to the quick, like a dagger to my heart.
He's so much more working class than me, and everything he says is true.
When I grow up, I want to be a WOMBLE.
He's so much more working class than me, and everything he says is true.
When I grow up, I want to be a WOMBLE.
"oh yeah the wetherspoons empire shuddered at the prospect of half a dozen naughty kids playing some music in one of their establishments... "
just like tescos did on mayday, or the arms indistry did after dsei
i agree it was a bit naughty, but mostly harmless, but it must be great having the confidence to judge what is and isnt an action and what it and isnt justified
if this had happened anywhere but a pub then my guess is people on this forum would have a totally differnet reaction
but dont dare challenge corporate power when they sell cheap beer
just like tescos did on mayday, or the arms indistry did after dsei
i agree it was a bit naughty, but mostly harmless, but it must be great having the confidence to judge what is and isnt an action and what it and isnt justified
if this had happened anywhere but a pub then my guess is people on this forum would have a totally differnet reaction
but dont dare challenge corporate power when they sell cheap beer
The pub couldn't serve because those nobheads (whom I would bet good money you were among) wouldn't turn their stupid fucking stereo off. You knew this would happen, you knew it would ruin everybody's night and you knew the police would be called.smokedout said:
Fucking twats
Top Dog
Well-Known Member
Yes. Im assuming you were as well?smokedout said:
the point about importance of the noise level is a red herring anyway. It is the effect of the action that is the point. The bar was closed to the punters.smokedout said:
Continuing your comparison with McDonalds are you? Three things about that:
1) if you believed that and hold such deeply held opposition why were you in there in the first place?
2) And so your point about these customers is what exactly? Im starting to see where you're coming from... Out of interest, are you also into animal rights?
3) Perhaps then you can name me a high street pub (and one based in Holloway at that) that isnt owned by a bastard brewery or some other nasty corp?
smokedout said:
And this *cough* action achieved this how exactly?
I'd like to point out in advance that I'm not a real anarchist & didn't make the bookfair 'cause me & the Mrs were out picking accessories for our new bathroom. So I don't live in a squat or anything, really.
but it didnt happen in hyde park did it
although if it did maybe they'd just be expressing the right to free expression in a public space
bit like reclaim the streets, or a squat party perhaps
the police overeacted to a situation that wasnt even happening when they turned up
one copper said to me we're only here cos you caused trouble, when i told him what had happened (someone turned on a ghetto blaster in a pub for 5 minutes), all he could reply with is well youre causing trouble now
although if it did maybe they'd just be expressing the right to free expression in a public space
bit like reclaim the streets, or a squat party perhaps
the police overeacted to a situation that wasnt even happening when they turned up
one copper said to me we're only here cos you caused trouble, when i told him what had happened (someone turned on a ghetto blaster in a pub for 5 minutes), all he could reply with is well youre causing trouble now
urgh! fascist pig!!! 
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