the all new 2005 who's taking a trip to holloway thread

[Pickman's model]

Lol yeah that was *exactly* the problem with what happened last night.

Bringing a sound system into a Wetherspoons. I think that even surpasses the moron who wrote "you can't cancel Mayday" in the bookfair venue last year. And by quite a long shot, actually.

i hope there isn't a competition for daftness!

but for sheer idiocy i feel that you'd have to walk a very long way to find something to put last night's sound system arsery into the shade.

i know at least one of the people who was involved in the sound system bit, and i happen to like him. so i am very fucking disappointed that he and some other people thought it a good plan to do what they did.

 

[shortygoldtooth]

Come on, is it any surprise that an anarchist gathering kicks off? Hope no one gets too long a sentence.

Oh and I heard that the "sound system " was a shitty ARGOS cd player???!!!

Oh why oh why did noone slap the fuckwitted Fabian?

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh why oh why did one slap the fuckwitted Fabian?

sadly NO ONE slapp'd the fuckwitt'd one.

 

[shortygoldtooth]

sadly NO ONE slapp'd the fuckwitt'd one.

Well the crease from his rather thick skull won't go away too soon. He can always get another slap.

 

[max_freakout]

I went to that event to learn about anarchism i have come away from it with a distinctly bad feeling about the whole thing. It's a personal identity crisis that i find myself siding with the police in this particular instance

 

[Pickman's model]

I went to that event to learn about anarchism i have come away from it with a distinctly bad feeling about the whole thing. It's a personal identity crisis that i find myself siding with the police in this particular instance

why do you find yourself siding with the cops?

 

[shortygoldtooth]

I went to that event to learn about anarchism i have come away from it with a distinctly bad feeling about the whole thing. It's a personal identity crisis that i find myself siding with the police in this particular instance

Go join the Lib Dems.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well the crease from his rather thick skull won't go away too soon. He can always get another slap.

 

[ClassWar]

Letter sent to Islington Tribune

Outside the Coronet pub on Holloway Road on Saturday
night, Islington cops made a crisis out of a drama.
There was no trouble - till they made it. The police
turned up tooled up and attacked a peaceful crowd. At
least one arrested man was trussed up and hooded, like
the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

This was a sad end to a successful Anarchist Bookfair
where thousands of people had enjoyed a peaceful day.

The police riot began when they despatched a number of
aggressive officers to deal with a minor incident in
the Coronet. The calm situation became highly charged
as, in a clearly planned operation, riot police
appeared at the scene and indiscriminately hit everyone
in their path. They then cleared the area,
forcing people up the road with much brutality and
scant concern for who they hit or shoved. In fact they
vied with each other to see who could push people the
hardest up Holloway Road.

There are serious questions to be answered about the
disgraceful police behaviour. Swearing at the public
and threatening to arrest people who question their
actions are, clearly, acceptable behaviour in Ian
Blair's force. If it's true that we get the police we
deserve, we wonder what the people of Islington have
done.

 

[blamblam]

It's a shame the letter didn't mention that the dicks at the pub were dealt with by someone already...

 

[Pickman's model]

It's a shame the letter didn't mention that the dicks at the pub were dealt with by someone already...

yeh, the trouble had been stamped on!

 

[montevideo]

arrested people update: all been released without charge, bailed to return to angel police station later next week, presumbly to see if they will be charged.

Voilent disorder still hangs over them, but given there wasn't enough evidence to charge at the time means things are looking a bit more positive. Given the attitude of the police earlier on - one of the arrested was beaten up in the police van, all kept on 'suicide watch' (woken up every ten minutes to make sure they were awake (!!!) it seems practical sense has prevailed & they're waiting for the cctv to come through.

The radical liberal anti-social lib comers should be recognised for the lifestyle bulshitters they are & be confined to the dustbin of history as soon as. Happy to do the honours.

 

[Pickman's model]

arrested people update: all been released without charge, bailed to return to angel police station later next week, presumbly to see if they will be charged.

Voilent disorder still hangs over them, but given there wasn't enough evidence to charge at the time means things are looking a bit more positive. Given the attitude of the police earlier on - one of the arrested was beaten up in the police van, all kept on 'suicide watch' (woken up every ten minutes to make sure they were awake (!!!) it seems practical sense has prevailed & they're waiting for the cctv to come through.

The radical liberal anti-social lib comers should be recognised for the lifestyle bulshitters they are & be confined to the dustbin of history as soon as. Happy to do the honours.

thank fuck they're out!

vy sorry to hear about their treatment inside.

are you "openly caggist"?

 

[cockneyrebel]

Leaving the embarrassing stuff aside, any feedback on the bootsale itself? Numbers, meetings, anarchist assembly, that sort of thing?

Surely this is of more interest than some fuckwits with a sound system?

 

[Emma Herself]

The radical liberal anti-social lib comers should be recognised for the lifestyle bulshitters they are & be confined to the dustbin of history as soon as. Happy to do the honours.

Radical, liberal and anti-social? My, and I thought we were just having a quiet drink. I never realised such banal action was loaded with so much meaning.

Monte, have I ever told you that I love you and think you've got the best politics of anyone I've ever met? How you've opened my eyes <3

 

[max_freakout]

why do you find yourself siding with the cops?

Because the way i saw it, it was NOT the police who started the ruckus, it was about 5 men who started getting rowdy and shouty when one copper said 'can i have a word with you' (albeit in an aggressive tone)to one of the guys who had the soundsystem, right outside the coronet door. At that point there were 2 police cars nothing else, i dont believe it was some conspiracy with vans parked just round the corner, as has been suggested, and i think that (most of) the police who turned up were NOT trying to make the situation worse, whereas there were several anarchos who clearly wanted to stir up trouble. I dont know what to think really

 

[chegrimandi]

so what tunes were playing out? Neds Atomic Dustbin ?

 

[rednblack]

first of all, i think the mini "riot" was rubbish - i don't think it pissed off many locals, the ones i spoke to werent impressed by the cops behaviour

i support the smashing of the soundsystem and would pretty much agree with pickman's model's opinion on that

i hung around outside the pub because people were getting arrested and while i don't agree with solidarity with stupidity, i also don't like to leave straight away just in case, plus i wanted to find out where my fellow hsgers were...and anyway in my experience it is always the "wrong" people who get arrested at these situations...

anyway apart from the fact of the soundsystem in the pub which was incredibly stupid and embarressing, this really is nothing - that wetherspoons often has far worse trouble on a saturday night, it's mostly a storm in a teacup imo

 

[chegrimandi]

first of all, i think the mini "riot" was rubbish - i don't think it pissed off many locals, the ones i spoke to werent impressed by the cops behaviour

i support the smashing of the soundsystem and would pretty much agree with pickman's model's opinion on that

i hung around outside the pub because people were getting arrested and while i don't agree with solidarity with stupidity, i also don't like to leave straight away just in case, plus i wanted to find out where my fellow hsgers were...and anyway in my experience it is always the "wrong" people who get arrested at these situations...

anyway apart from the fact of the soundsystem in the pub which was incredibly stupid and embarressing, this really is nothing - that wetherspoons often has far worse trouble on a saturday night, it's mostly a storm in a teacup imo

yes yes yes, fascinating but what tunes were they spinning? Ozric Tentacles?

 

[rednblack]

Surely this is of more interest than some fuckwits with a sound system?

yes.

impossible to tell numbers due to the change in venue and it's layout, i reckon it was down on last year, but others disagree
tbh i'm never that impressed with it and prefer the social aspect - however HSG got a fair few donations and some decent signups from haringey people who we havent previously come across

and the makhno meeting was good though i forgot to ask about the allegations surrounding the torturing of a group of performing dwarfs

 

[charlie mowbray]

Glad you thought so- cheers!

 

[In Bloom]

Out of curiosity, did anybody else hear that one busy shouting "I'm fucking shitting myself here, back off or I'll start swinging"

The whole fucking thing was rediculous, but I had to laugh at that.

 

[Epicurus]

Isn’t this just another case of people claiming to be Anarchist who really just think Fuck everyone else I’m anti-Authority and I’m going to do what the fuck I like regardless of the consequences to others; which in my view is anti-anarchist.

 

[In Bloom]

Isn’t this just another case of people claiming to be Anarchist who really just think Fuck everyone else I’m anti-Authority and I’m going to do what the fuck I like regardless of the consequences to others; which in my view is anti-anarchist.

Yup, nobheads. The best part is that they were gone and waiting round the corner before the kerfuffle outside even started

 

[Epicurus]

Yup, nobheads. The best part is that they were gone and waiting round the corner before the kerfuffle outside even started

I have to say I didn’t see any of this and I’m not sure how I missed it (unless I had gone before it all kicked off).

I was drinking in a pub just across the road from the book fair venue, don’t have a clue what it was called, but it did have loads of TV screens showing football, is that the same pub? It was the pub on the opposite side of the road to the book fair and had a crossing outside it.

 

[In Bloom]

I have to say I didn’t see any of this and I’m not sure how I missed it (unless I had gone before it all kicked off).

I was drinking in a pub just across the road from the book fair venue, don’t have a clue what it was called, but it did have loads of TV screens showing football, is that the same pub? It was the pub on the opposite side of the road to the book fair and had a crossing outside it.

All the shit was in the Whetherspoons just next door to the bookfair on the same side of the road, I know which pub you mean though.

 

[Epicurus]

I’m interested in the fact that I don’t think anyone on this thread had supported the people with the sound system, so why were the police ever called, were there not other Anarchist in the pub who could see how this would turn out if the police arrived?

Did people sort out the sound system problem before the police arrived? If so I can understand why it all kicked off as the police presents wasn’t needed and would only antagonise.

There was a problem like this on an estate near here where a group of what I think are described as euro-squatters started holding parties in a flat; part of a block of 98 flats other squatters in the bloke along with some residents went in and smashed up all the equipment on the grounds that it was against community living to fuck up everyone night sleep, this had two positive effects it brought the majority of the squatters and residents together; something that 6 months of meetings and community project couldn’t do.

I my view most Anarchist I know are far more considerate towards others that live with or near them that most other people.

 

[In Bloom]

I’m interested in the fact that I don’t think anyone on this thread had supported the people with the sound system, so why were the police ever called, were there not other Anarchist in the pub who could see how this would turn out if the police arrived?

Did people sort out the sound system problem before the police arrived? If so I can understand why it all kicked off as the police presents wasn’t needed and would only antagonise.

Somebody from antifa kicked the speakers in apparently, but the police had already been called, when the police got there, the bar staff went round asking everybody to leave, because they were worried there was going to be trouble. I didn't see how the whole stupid scuffle started, but it looked to me like the police were beng unnecessarily confrontational and violent, as usual, a few people got nicked and then the police started pushing people back.

There was a problem like this on an estate near here where a group of what I think are described as euro-squatters started holding parties in a flat; part of a block of 98 flats other squatters in the bloke along with some residents went in and smashed up all the equipment on the grounds that it was against community living to fuck up everyone night sleep, this had two positive effects it brought the majority of the squatters and residents together; something that 6 months of meetings and community project couldn’t do.

 

[Paul Marsh]

and the makhno meeting was good though i forgot to ask about the allegations surrounding the torturing of a group of performing dwarfs

I have never heard that one before - more information please!

 

[montevideo]

Radical, liberal and anti-social? My, and I thought we were just having a quiet drink. I never realised such banal action was loaded with so much meaning.

Monte, have I ever told you that I love you and think you've got the best politics of anyone I've ever met? How you've opened my eyes <3

an inspiration to your class!

What you don't seem to grasp is the soundsystem people & your lot are both lifestylers, just from different ends of the spectrum. All the insults you direct at them are reflected quite easily back at you. It comes as no surprise you all come from the same privileged background.