The 7/7 Report

[jæd]

From the Met site:

Picture of terrorists

What no fruitloop has pointed out, to my knowledge, is that the image clearly shows a ghost lamp-post. Clearly proof that the pixies dunnit

Um... Dunno if anyone has pointed this out before but which station is this. To my knowlege, Luton station doesn't have a big sign saying "Camera 14" floating in the air like that. And none of the clocks on Thameslink platforms like that.

Conclusion: That footage is from a film set.

 

[detective-boy]

One question, just a general one about CCTV - why are the images so grainy and of a poor quality?

What's all that about?

Having been involved with public space CCTV systems for the last couple of years, a number of possibilities spring to mind:

1. Older systems, not yet replaced (new funding being used to expand rather than upgrade quite often)
2. Poor (or at least, less than ideal) maintenance / cleaning
3. Poor quality recording media (not usually the case with local authority VHS based systems, most are quite good at replacing tapes)
4. Extended time lapse recording facilities in an effort to minimise numbers of VHS tapes to be managed or to minimise costs of providing digital recording memory - even real-time recording loses some of the quality of the camera image, stick it through a multiplexer and you lose loads more and, if using VHS, you then "stretch" a 3hr tape to cover 8 hours (or more) you lose yet another chunk.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Having been involved with public space CCTV systems for the last couple of years, a number of possibilities spring to mind:

1. Older systems, not yet replaced (new funding being used to expand rather than upgrade quite often)
2. Poor (or at least, less than ideal) maintenance / cleaning
3. Poor quality recording media (not usually the case with local authority VHS based systems, most are quite good at replacing tapes)
4. Extended time lapse recording facilities in an effort to minimise numbers of VHS tapes to be managed or to minimise costs of providing digital recording memory - even real-time recording loses some of the quality of the camera image, stick it through a multiplexer and you lose loads more and, if using VHS, you then "stretch" a 3hr tape to cover 8 hours (or more) you lose yet another chunk.

Cheers for all those replies.

 

[smokedout]

the true bomber ...

sorry

 

[laptop]

the true bomber ...

sorry

You will be when your account is disabled with the volume of hits from conspiraloons hotlinking your image

 

[laptop]

the true bomber ...

Just to drive my point home with a sledgehammer, I've made your fake more credible by adding in VHS artefacts by hand.

I could have done them better if I'd spent another 10 minutes on it...

 

[Prole]

But - you HAVE evidence. Khan's video. CCTV pictures. Police forensic statements. Detecvtive work. The entire national & international media working the story out for themselves months before the official report. The interviewing of Muslims in Leeds who report the men's extremism at the 'Al Qaeda gym'. It all stacks up, ity all fits together; meanwhile, you obsess over the fact that the official 7.40 train did not run, though a train DID run at 7.40, so Thameslink timetables were fucked, as usual. That's all that you have. It's pathetic. You have the reports of evidence all stacking up and making a damn good case. You have no credible alternative theory. What more evidence do you want? Charred torsoes? Decapitated heads? Bombs with fingerprints on them? Videos of exploding Asians? Last wills and testaments? Holes in the train floors showing the bomb was on the floor not under it? Visits to the bomb factory and the TATP-filled bath? You'd say they were fake as well.

I have no doubt that if you were shown further CCTV of the men's movements you'd immediately claim that was fake as well, despite your current claims, because you only see what you want to see, Prole. You want to see a false flag situation, you want to see a State conspiracy. There is a conspiracy to lie, to start illegal wars and refuse to accept the consequences, but in your harmful obsession to play Nancy Drew you miss that entirely and bang on and on and on about irrelevant nonsense, because it makes you feel clever and gets you kudos from the similarly-deluded.

Sorry to disappoint BK but that's just what you think I'm about. It is pure conjecture and has no basis in fact and you have no evidence for any of it.

I would have thought that the authorities could have revealed the CCTV image sequence that they say they have from July 7th by now. And no, I don't mean exploding trains etc. I mean the equivalent of what we have been shown from both the 28/6 and 21/7. It is disingenuous of you to predict what I would say if they were shown.

What truly surprises me is that we haven't seen these images yet.

 

[pk]

It is pure conjecture and has no basis in fact and you have no evidence for any of it.

Cough! Splutter!!

This is precisely how normal people view your idiot Nancy Drew theories.

 

[Prole]

Cough! Splutter!!

This is precisely how normal people view your idiot Nancy Drew theories.

But it's still opinion and not fact.

 

[laptop]

It's a prediction. Which is different from either. Not that you'd understand.

So: will you acknowledge that your oh-so-sceptical comments on the CCTV capure are, er, total bollocks?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Ffs, I really can't be bothered anymore with these conspiracuntheads.

*unsubscribes from thread*

 

[pk]

But it's still opinion and not fact.

So why do you and your friends dress up your opinions to an obsessive level, to the point where you have the audacity to call eye witnesses liars?

Count yourself lucky I am not a survivor of the 7/7 attacks... I'd ram those fucking leaflets down your throat.

 

[pk]

Ffs, I really can't be bothered anymore with these conspiracuntheads.

*unsubscribes from thread*

Don't leave - if you leave, they stay.

The fucking lot of them should be banned.

Anti-semitic wankers that they mostly are...

 

[Prole]

It's a prediction. Which is different from either. Not that you'd understand.

So: will you acknowledge that your oh-so-sceptical comments on the CCTV capure are, er, total bollocks?

Perhaps someone could post a similar picture from outside Luton on 28/6 (mine all exceed the allowed size) and compare and contrast the image quality?

 

[pk]

Why does your blog claim "To ascertain the facts behind the so-called London Bombings on 7/7/05"

"so-called London Bombings" ??

Who the hell do you think you are?

 

[pk]

Oh and why were you harassing the Anti Terrorist Branch of Scotland Yard?

His reply to you is quite telling:

In each reply I have invited you to contact me or the investigation team if you have meaningful evidence to contribute to the investigation into the 7th July attacks. That offer still remains. I must point out, it not helpful for you to submit numerous requests which inevitably will require the same response. Each of these requests distracts us from other work, whereas a meeting might just have a productive outcome.

In a nutshell - leave me alone you fucking deluded fool, so I might finish my investigation, and if I don't you'd be the first one to moan.

I put it to you that your interest in the events of 7/7 is purely that of morbid curiosity, and perhaps because you missed out on the 9/11 conspiranoid fest and you're just hoping for some publicity.

I do not believe you are remotely interested in "the truth" of those events.

I do believe you are after some attention, for reasons known only to you.

 

[Blagsta]

Primary Source Found!

Ok, this information is from an email which appears to have originated from a thames link employee:
http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/thameslink_database1.htm

BookedDepartureTime ActualDepartureTime ArrivalTimeAtKingsCross
07.16 ..................... 07.21 ................... 08.19
07.20 ..................... On time ................ 08.15
07.24 ..................... 07.25 ................... 08.23
07.30 ..................... 07.42 ................... 08.39
07.40 ..................... Cancelled ...............n/a
07.48 ..................... 07.56 ................... 08.42


As has been stated repeatedly, it is utterly possible that the bombers took the train at 07.25 and arrived at 08.23.

However, this does show that the narrative is rather lacking in factual accuracy.

I'd hardly call that a primary source. Piece of piss to fake for a start.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Here is Prole's leaflet.


And here is who she thinks she is
''a collective of plain Mr, Mrs and Ms somebodies comprising concerned residents and independent public researchers, all with the single aim of getting to the truth behind what happened on July 7th through an Independent People's Inquiry...Join the fast-growing community of concerned individuals who are collaboratively researching through the July 7th Investigation Forum at: http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/

We urge you to remember to investigate with an open mind and to remember that conspiracy theories are quite often conspiracy FACTS''


So, a ''public researcher'' and a conspiracy theorist, then.

Question: Can you tell me when the public asked you to conduct this ''research''? And how you claim to be ''Independent'' when you approach everything from the presupposiotion that the ''Leeds 4'' were innocent?

 

[Blagsta]

Check yesterday's Independent and tell me if you can't see a bar through Khan's head and body (it's very clear in the photo in the official report on p.4)

Yeah I've seen that. Know anything about jpg compression do you? No? Thought not. BTW, if you're gonna Photoshop something for a conspiracy theory, you're gonna do a good job of it - its actually quite easy to composite pictures convincingly in Photoshop. So why would this one be done badly? It makes no sense.

 

[laptop]

So why would this one be done badly? It makes no
sense.

You're so gullible. Mr & Mrs Somebody don't put anything past the Men in Black.

They 'shopped in teh VHS artefacts especially to confuse the conspiranoids!!!1!

 

[Blagsta]

Release the evidence! When I have seen the CCTV images from London and Luton then yes I will accept they did it.

History has taught me though that the State must always be questioned. As i've said before, if the 'guilt' of the Communists for the Reichstag fire had not been 'proved' by Hitler and Goering, history would have turned out differently.

afaik, its fairly well accepted now that Van der Lubbe did actually set the Reichstag fire (read Robert Paxton's "Anatomy of Fascism")

 

[Blagsta]

(seems unlikely to be a JPEG artifact)

looks just like one to me

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Don't leave - if you leave, they stay.

The fucking lot of them should be banned.

Anti-semitic wankers that they mostly are...

Sure, all I'm doing is leaving this thread. I reckon it's about time for another attempt at getting the Mods to consider a FAQ amendment to stop these 911/77 bullshit artist polluting Urban.

 

[pk]

Sure, all I'm doing is leaving this thread. I reckon it's about time for another attempt at getting the Mods to consider a FAQ amendment to stop these 911/77 bullshit artist polluting Urban.

Either way - they should expect nothing but abuse from me.

 

[pk]

But it's still opinion and not fact.

So how come in your first post on this thread you say:

"It is a travesty of justice, these men didn't do it."

You speak as if you know the facts... just like every other David Icke fan... when in fact - you don't know shit.

 

[Badger Kitten]

And why do you run a site which claims to be about ''July 7 truth?''

Surely '' July 7 speculation and conjecture, untroubled by evidence and hypothesised by conspiracy'' would be more accurate.

 

[Azrael23]

afaik, its fairly well accepted now that Van der Lubbe did actually set the Reichstag fire (read Robert Paxton's "Anatomy of Fascism")

Well accepted = True?

Van der Lubbe was a homeless drunk with a questionable grip on reality, not the kind of person who would excel at defending himself in a trial.
Anyway as far as I`m aware its "fairly well accepted" that the SS firebombed the reichstag.

BTW why am I anti-semetic for knowing an elite class of families runs the global banking system and therefore the world?
WTF has that got to do with anti-semitism?! Dick.

You know in a sense its unimportant whether al-qaeda or the security services carried out the attack. Al-qaeda have been trained and funded by the west for decades, aswat is a proven MI5 asset just like hamza, the important thing to remember is that both sides in our latest war are owned by the same interests.
Do people in the middle east benefit from the terror attacks, or is it the people who garner profit and power beyond compare?.....its really tough to see through this one

 

[Prole]

Here is Prole's leaflet.


And here is who she thinks she is
''a collective of plain Mr, Mrs and Ms somebodies comprising concerned residents and independent public researchers, all with the single aim of getting to the truth behind what happened on July 7th through an Independent People's Inquiry...Join the fast-growing community of concerned individuals who are collaboratively researching through the July 7th Investigation Forum at: http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/

We urge you to remember to investigate with an open mind and to remember that conspiracy theories are quite often conspiracy FACTS''


So, a ''public researcher'' and a conspiracy theorist, then.

Question: Can you tell me when the public asked you to conduct this ''research''? And how you claim to be ''Independent'' when you approach everything from the presupposiotion that the ''Leeds 4'' were innocent?

The principle of innocent until proven guilty methinks.

 

[Azrael23]

The principle of innocent until proven guilty methinks.

We live in a society where people far from zealously defending the rights of the citizenry, can`t even remember them. Thats real insanity!

 

[Prole]

And why do you run a site which claims to be about ''July 7 truth?''

Surely '' July 7 speculation and conjecture, untroubled by evidence and hypothesised by conspiracy'' would be more accurate.

Sounds like you're describing the official account there BK