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rachamim18 said:
Nino" "Nino has tried to engage Rachamim.": Needless to say I beg to differe but for argument and brevity's sake, let us say you are correct...Now, can we get past THAT? I am here, NOW, and willing to engage you on an ADULT level and as long as you skip the insults of any caliber, I would be happy to discuss this and other issues with you. I hope, for both the thread AND forum's sake we can skip the nonsense and behave like adults...all of us. Thanks in advance.
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"Behave like adults"? Since when was posting up lies considered "adult-like"? You spend all of your time on Urban posting tedious 1,000+ word replies that, when unpacked, reveal a rather vicious racism. You constantly contradict yourself and when pressed on points that you have made, you become evasive.

To add to this, you have recently confessed your admiration for fascism.
 
Nino: I stand by my comments made on that other site and again find it kind of comforting that you sniff all over the web in search of (in your mind) questionable comments you believe I have made.

Fact is, I knew my wife since she was born and so that contradiction was not there since she began preparing for conversion at age 12 in hopes of marrying me one day. The day she turned 16 , we married, and she had been Jewish for 2 years already.


Intermarriage is a bane. Not because of any kind of bias but because those that intermarry inevitably tend to waterdown their heritage so that within a couple of generation they cease all connections to thier People and an already dwindleing demographic is left to struggle even more than they previously had. Intermarriage is well above 50% in the US and in the 80th percentile last time I looked in the fromer USSR. It is surely a concern.

Where do you see a lie? Furthermore, why obsess over me? Do you see THAT as adult like Nino?

Oh, I do admire bare bones fascism as espoused by Mussolini and have made no secret of it. Try studying the ideology a bit more than you have the anthropological index of cranial measurements.
 
rachamim18 said:
Nino: I stand by my comments made on that other site and again find it kind of comforting that you sniff all over the web in search of (in your mind) questionable comments you believe I have made.

Fact is, I knew my wife since she was born and so that contradiction was not there since she began preparing for conversion at age 12 in hopes of marrying me one day. The day she turned 16 , we married, and she had been Jewish for 2 years already.


Intermarriage is a bane. Not because of any kind of bias but because those that intermarry inevitably tend to waterdown their heritage so that within a couple of generation they cease all connections to thier People and an already dwindleing demographic is left to struggle even more than they previously had. Intermarriage is well above 50% in the US and in the 80th percentile last time I looked in the fromer USSR. It is surely a concern.

Where do you see a lie? Furthermore, why obsess over me? Do you see THAT as adult like Nino?

Oh, I do admire bare bones fascism as espoused by Mussolini and have made no secret of it. Try studying the ideology a bit more than you have the anthropological index of cranial measurements.
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You're a walking, talking, living paradox. You crap on about "watering down heritage" (wtf???) and then you claim to be married to a gentile. I'm not sure which Rachamim Ben Ami I'm dealing with here.

Oh and I'm not "obsessed" with you. Don't flatter yourself. I'm concerned solely with the truth...a word that is not in your vocabulary.
 
"Watering down Heritage.": I expect as much as you but you need to realise sweetheart that we Jews fully accept with open arms sincere converts to our faith. We are not Alawai or Druse. We welcome them in full embrace and such was the case wiuth mt beauytiful young wife.

Keeep digging. Maybe one day you will find what youare looking for sweety.
 
rachamim18 said:
Nino: I stand by my comments made on that other site and again find it kind of comforting that you sniff all over the web in search of (in your mind) questionable comments you believe I have made.

Fact is, I knew my wife since she was born and so that contradiction was not there since she began preparing for conversion at age 12 in hopes of marrying me one day. The day she turned 16 , we married, and she had been Jewish for 2 years already.
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What the fuck?

That's disgusting (not to mention probably untrue becuase Reform Judaism does not permit people to convert if they're younger than 16 - I had to wait until I was 16 and only finished when I was 18)

are you really jewish?? or are you saying this stuff to promote anti-semitism??
 
Forg: Reform Judiasim is just now becoming legal in Israel. I abhor the Movement though if that matters so that no, my wife has a true conversion done under the auspices of the State Conversion Authority in Israel. In our religion and our culture a female becomes of age at age 12 and at this age can decide for herself her conversion to Judaisim. If one is a minor she can convert with parental permission which in any case my inlaws would have gladly given.

May I ask what you find disgusting? It seems you do not know all that much about our faith sister. If you would like I could recommend both some books and some rabbis in the UK, if indeed that is your location, who might help you as a Ba'al T'shuvah. Life is short, we have Freewill, use your time wisely sister.

Promote "anti-Semitism?": Have I not told you mopre than once that the phrase makes no sense and I assure you, not only am I jewish and Israeli, but yeshiva educated so that I am very well grounded in matters of faith. It was only when I entered active duty that I steepped off the Righteous Path (at the time it was not permitted for Active Duty soldiers but of course that has since changed, and with ironoy it is my own Brigade that became home to the first Charedi Battalion.
 
Well I'm getting the impression from your post that your wife was, erm, quite a bit younger than you ...

that's what I find disgusting, if you must know, and most Jews would find that disgusting as well
 
Um, no Frog, most tradional Jews would not. My wife is 25, I am 41. You find that age difference disgusting?

For the record, traditional Jews marry VERY young. Talmud teaches us three things: I) For first wives (we are technically a polgyamous society) the first wife should be younger than her husband. II) The male should not marry after the age of 18. III) The male should not wait more than 2 years post K'tubah so that the interpretation is ideally, one should marry (as a male) at age 16 (I was 17 on my first wife, I am not polygamous, we divorced during my Active Duty after our 4th child was born and died).

If a male should be older, and no older than 16, that means his wife should be at most 15. 12 is the legal age but no longer usually practices in most of our communities. 15 year old wives are quite common.
 
So you were in your late 20's and you were preparing to marry a 12 year old when she turned 16, yes, i do find that disgusting ... and secondly i doubt what you are saying is true, in fact i know it isn't in this country, i know many orthodox jews round my age, none of them are married ... maybe in hassidic communities but it's not normal to marry when you are 15, sorry.
 
Frog: See, this is the part where assumpti0on trip you up. I knew my wife since she was born but was not in the faintest attracted to her until she almost turned 16. Her lifelong ddream though was to marry me and her family, yes from the Philippines (Visayan Tribe from Mindanao) saw nothing wrong with iot since I was friend with both of her parents since she was born and they know me far better than they could ever know some suitor comeing around at that age,

They fully encouraged and even prodded me because I was just not interesteonversion all on her own. I would not have married her had she converted just to marry me.

I was 32 when I first opened myself up to the idea, and she was almost 16

"Doubting what I say about the age of marriage in Charedi communities.": I tend to take a gander and imagine your friends are what is known as "Modern Orthgadox" They are as close to Charedi as you are. Guess again. It is easily researchable. Would you like some sources.

Did you know that man's best choice in a wife is the daughter of his own sister? I think I will offer you a quick education in Yiddishkeit sister. After all to save one is to save the world. Consider it a gift. Iwill post them later (have 2 causes to post on first).

Do you even have an inkling of any Tractates from Family Purity (renerdred in English for your benefit because I am certain you know no Aramaic)? N'geeuh? Never mind and have no fear, your brother will shine a light down that dark tunnel of goyshie ignorance.
 
"Doubting what I say about the age of marriage in Charedi communities.": I tend to take a gander and imagine your friends are what is known as "Modern Orthgadox" They are as close to Charedi as you are. Guess again. It is easily researchable. Would you like some sources.

Did you know that man's best choice in a wife is the daughter of his own sister? I think I will offer you a quick education in Yiddishkeit sister. After all to save one is to save the world. Consider it a gift. Iwill post them later (have 2 causes to post on first).
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Isn't it forbidden by Torah for an uncle to sleep with their niece let alone marry them?
 
One point I DID forget to address though was your question on whether or not my wife is in fat a Filipina. Indeed she is As stated, Visayan from San Francisco in Agusan del Sur on Mindanao, which is also my adopted homree but my wife additionaly holds Israeli citizenship as a result of our ,arriage.

Her father and I met in Jerusalem when I was 17 and met Rizza when she was just out the womb. As she kpt up with her hopes of conversion her family sent her to a Jeiwsh girl's school that took such children in and guided her correectly and to the point. She was converted by the Sephardic Rabhbinate at my advice since my Dad's family is Sephardic/Mizrachi (although my education was in an Asheknazi Yeshiva and before that Cheder).

We were married in Israel, and again in the Philippines in a Civil Ceremony to satisfy the yen for family in attendance since family, like us, is very important in her culture. Anyway, I will offer the sources later.
 
Well that was simple enough, minimal age for a female should be 12, male 13 although there times when they can be younger. Please read the following and before denigrating your own Peoples' customs and practices, please sister, learn about them, We have 4500 years on Earth, one of the longest continuous civlisations in existence and it is not due to reprehensible practices that we have gained this longetivity.

Polygamy is only currently in vogue amoing Yemei and Ethiopian Jewish Communities. Just though I would add that.


Read on:


www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm
 
You didn't answer my question. I thought the Torah forbade marriage between an uncle and his niece.
 
jewfaq said:
The minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls; however, the kiddushin can take place before that, and often did in medieval times. The Talmud recommends that a man marry at age 18, or somewhere between 16 and 24.
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Very different to what you're saying. and i've looked, but that page doesn't say anything about the wife having to be younger than the husband.
 
Who says I'm denigrating anything? If anything that website actually contradicts what you are saying.

According to the Torah and the Talmud, a man was permitted to marry more than one wife, but a woman could not marry more than one man. Although polygyny was permitted, it was never common. The Talmud never mentions any rabbi with more than one wife. Around 1000 C.E., Ashkenazic Jewry banned polygyny because of pressure from the predominant Christian culture. It continued to be permitted for Sephardic Jews in Islamic lands for many years. To the present day, Yemenite and Ethiopian Jews continue to practice polygyny; however, the modern state of Israel allows only one wife. Those who move to Israel with more than one wife are permitted to remain married to all of the existing wives, but cannot marry additional ones.
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In any case, being married at 15 is illegal in this country, and for good reason. Secondly if a child has a crush on an adult at age 12, that doesn't mean that they should be married to that person, no matter how long they've fancied the person for, a 12 year old is not emotionally mature enough to make that decision. I'm sure I fancied loads of ridiculosuly unsuitable people when I was 12, this does not mean I should have married any of them. If what you're saying is true (which I doubt it is, tbh) then you have a problem - and a very serious one at that.
 
yeah and a bit creepy, its not backed up by the link he posted either ... it doesnt mention anything about it.

how can disagreeing with this be anti-semitic, when 90% of jews do not do it, for fucks sake this is the kind of stuff that gets jewish people killed
 
So this is permitted but it hardly ever happens. And the first result on Google for "Jewish uncle marriage" is a fash site. Surprise surprise.
 
Frog: Agasin, you need to study. You say Rabbis were discouraging it from the MidEvil period, sorry, wrong. One Rabbi because of trheat of violence from surrounding Christains in France issued an edict that was supposed to expitre in 40 years. Sephardim have never had ban on polygamy and I know more than a few wqho have more than one wife, 4 is the limit and all 4 must be treated absolutely equal which is what mostly keeps it from happening.

As for the niece thing. Abraham married his nice Sara and the Jewish People were born so it was always idealised. Then in G'merah it was codified, Tractate 62 B in Yevamot, bottom of the page. Rashi says it should be the daughter of one's siter but that any niece is fine, RASHBAM says it should be only the niece of a brother. In the end both conceed that either side is permissable and in fact it is not rare and stil held as an ideal.

As far as permissable ages to marry, in the Charedi Community, if a boy is not married by 16 there is a problem, unless he is on a military track which is becoming a little bit more popular these days with the Lubaitcher Rebbe intoning before his demise that even Caredim should fight.

Minimum age for a girl is 12, man is 13. Average age I have seen is 15 for girl and 16 for boy.

Jewish Uncle Marriage is a fascist site? So now you have the audacity to call Mishanah and G'merah fascist????????????? Please clarify because either you are very, very ignorant or a Jew hater. That is Jewish Scripture you are defaming.

I understand that you live a very assimilated life, and in fact you mentioned soemthing on being a convert, and in that vein I can understand your thinking but please do not demean an entire faith that is 4500 years old unless you know what you are talking about.

You want Tractates on ages? As in man being older than woman? The Sages say that women mature faster than men and that an older man is more equitable with a younger woman and I see it as very good thinking.

As for 12 year olds having crushes and marrying, whatever is that about?
 
If nieces are unavailable, cousins, as in first cousins are desirable and this based on Chumash where moshe was asked by the daughters of Tz'lofked on whom to marry and Moshe said "thous cousins."

This is why we have 4000 odd genetic diseases as well as lineages that can be traced to the Biblical period so it has served us well, as well as being an onus. If you are a convert, I suggest you study at other than a Reform shul because the Reform are deaf, dumb, and blind. They pick and choose Mitzvot and we must not make the Word conform to us, we must conform to the Word.
 
Ohhhh, you say Jewish leaders were discouraging marriage to nieces dfrom the Midevil Era? See? You should stay away from those Reform and Liberal nonsense sites. In fact, when do you think Rashi and RASHBAM lived ? Please studty your own faith sister, then laugh at soemthing OTHER than your own customs.
 
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