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terminally ill patients not allowed out of gaza

Nino: Not suprising at all. In case it has (and it certainly has) escaped you, it is about an Israeli poilicy. The one person at the center is one of 30 odd people and the policy even predates the first of those.

It is the policy being criticised and it is in that vein that I provided the data showing that the complaint is non-sebsical.

If you have brain lesions, you will probably die regardless of when and where. You certainly have the right to the best treatment you can find but Israel has no obligation either morally or under International Law to provide any free trteatment to anyone other than Israeli CITIZENS. AND YET IT DOES.

I have already provided numbers so I will skip that, and I have also discussed just 3 of more than a dozen of the "Palestinians" with these permits, or applying for them who soufght to manipulate this system in order to commit more terror attacks and kill inncoent people...some of which were their caregivers.

So, what was the point of my seemingly fruitless exercise? I tried and did show that Israel is not limiting these Humanitrian Express Passes, and in fact nearly doubled the number issued in the last fiscal year. More than half of that increase occurred AFTER HAMAS took power (stole power). Most Arabs who then still died did so because they could not make arrangements with corrupt "Palestinian" medical transport companies who run a monopoloy in Gaza and who charge incredible amounts of money to a very poor population.

Want to throw blame in a blanket manner? Start with the Arabs themselves..although I do credit them as masters of PR. They always do that one well. If only they could apply the same skill and effort to making a just society the entire issue would repair itself.

I don't give a shit for your excuses. You have come to this thread with the sole intention of disrupting it. You have contributed nothing.
 
Editor: LEt me ask, noiot that it really matters because of course I have the abswer already, but wehere are you when peoplke call e murderer, cun%, and all sorts of things? One can someone fuc7ing liar but to use the phrase OCD without expletives is a on day ban? The word that comes to mind is hypocrisy .

Frog: As for you, you are too sensitive because anyone could tell it was not directed towards you.

If I cried everyone called me a njunkie here, or much worse, I would never stop ctying.

I began pushing this and other issues to prove a point, as I stated the other day, Editor seems to be the only Mod who poilices this forum (shame that members cannot police it themselves) and does so VERY selectiovely.

OCD is too personal, even when directed to a person who does not have it, but I am a child murderinh cun% and junky and that is ignored?

Listen, I wil; be forthright, and save you the time Editor, I have for a very long time seen this froum as a complete waste of time. It seems that people wish to only here themselves talk, not at all interested in the slightest bit of any other person's opinion and that is a shame, because inm the end they are just losing.

What is the point of spending time in a forum when everyone else is a mirror image of you?

Oh, and Frog, since you have never bothered to ask, who in the world would you know what I know or do not know about OCD? Just another assumption,sad.

As for Editror, simply look to the last post in the thread, the one by Nino, or any of the 2 years worth by Grandma, or many by Spion and Grafield and then think hard about your threat. In any event, do as you want because if it is good for the goose, as you say in English, it is good for ths gander. Even the most civil of people can have their take and I have had mine. If it bans me one day or forever so be it.

You need to do a better job at monitoring the forum because that selectivity nonsense just does not cut it, plain and simple. So, now I said it, and now you can do as you wish.
 
Editor: You need to do a better job at monitoring the forum because that selectivity nonsense just does not cut it, plain and simple. So, now I said it, and now you can do as you wish.

from the horse's mouth he want's out we want him out... how fair can you make it...

bye bye
 
I'm not because I have OCD and you have no fucking clue about what it is ... dont joke about things you don't understand ...

You realise that you'll provoke an answer about how he understands everything about OCD, how he's related to someone who has it, and how one of his antecedents discovered and named the illness, don't you? ;)
 
Grandma:If you spent perhaps 1 quarter of one half of one percent of the time you spend sweating me, actually providing relevant threads and posts the forum would be so much better. As it is you are a complete waste of bandwitdth. Perhaps I am mistaken but I do not recall you, in 2 years making a relevant post on anything mentioned. Utterly amazing.

Garfield: Another one who likes to sweat. If AND when, and I expect it will be when, Editor closes that door you shall get that wish and be able to talk to yourself all day long. Until then you will be tortured by having to listen to a person whose view you barely understand let alone stomach.

I truly, truly wonder what compels people to participate in what purports to be a public forum when they only wish to discuss their own views? No one has yet been able to shed a bit of light on that one. the supportive emails/pms I

have gotten tend to also suggest that I am a bit crazy for subjecting myself to such open and vile hatred and ignorance.

I have already explained widely here why I continue posting and perusing this forum
I guess I just have too much faith in the human race as a whole than to believe such ignorance will prevail.
 
Panda: Actually professor, someone very, very close to me has a mild form of it (nothing at alike Tourettes thank G-D) so yes, I do have just a bit of familiarity with it although my comment towards the person, who was NOT Frog (how would I ever know what or she had or did not have?) was meant in jest.

OIh, and Garfield anyone else who feels meaningful discourse cannot be held while i am on the board, you ARE aware of the "Ignore" feature U75 provides all its members are you not? If so, stop whining and exercise that option. Otherwise you have no reason at all to sob.
 
One more squeak out of you with this nasty personal stuff and you're on a one day ban.

Liking as I do, your life's work in building up Urban, I often have great difficulty in understanding why you have to be so biased against those who have a different view to your own or that of your remaining mods.
 
Editor: LEt me ask, noiot that it really matters because of course I have the abswer already, but wehere are you when peoplke call e murderer, cun%, and all sorts of things? One can someone fuc7ing liar but to use the phrase OCD without expletives is a on day ban? The word that comes to mind is hypocrisy .

Frog: As for you, you are too sensitive because anyone could tell it was not directed towards you.

If I cried everyone called me a njunkie here, or much worse, I would never stop ctying.

I began pushing this and other issues to prove a point, as I stated the other day, Editor seems to be the only Mod who poilices this forum (shame that members cannot police it themselves) and does so VERY selectiovely.

OCD is too personal, even when directed to a person who does not have it, but I am a child murderinh cun% and junky and that is ignored?

Listen, I wil; be forthright, and save you the time Editor, I have for a very long time seen this froum as a complete waste of time. It seems that people wish to only here themselves talk, not at all interested in the slightest bit of any other person's opinion and that is a shame, because inm the end they are just losing.

What is the point of spending time in a forum when everyone else is a mirror image of you?

Oh, and Frog, since you have never bothered to ask, who in the world would you know what I know or do not know about OCD? Just another assumption,sad.

As for Editror, simply look to the last post in the thread, the one by Nino, or any of the 2 years worth by Grandma, or many by Spion and Grafield and then think hard about your threat. In any event, do as you want because if it is good for the goose, as you say in English, it is good for ths gander. Even the most civil of people can have their take and I have had mine. If it bans me one day or forever so be it.

You need to do a better job at monitoring the forum because that selectivity nonsense just does not cut it, plain and simple. So, now I said it, and now you can do as you wish.

Why, indeed, the double standards? :(
 
I am certainly glad that another person also recognises this! OCD versus child killing cun%...Hmmmm. I say all or nothing.

I would love to have a very civil board where noone belittled anyone. Still, Editor is not slow, why would the comment about OCD be mistaken for a personal attack? The whole context in which it was posted bespoke of sarcasm and yet again, single out a person whose mindeset is at odds with the majority of the deeply leftist forum?

I believe diversity makes this forum richer and would love it if all of us could sahre our views without the garbage always floating on the top
 
I think that if you're waiting for urban75 to be a civil forum where nobody belittles each other you'll be waiting a very long time.
 
by having to listen to a person whose view you barely understand let alone stomach.

the sad thing is you think you are complex enough a sterotype to be an anathema or an enigma to anyone.

you really aren't like lumpy and a few others you're a 1 dimensional charcter with a very appearent lack of intelligence.

I many ways i feel sorry for you it's kind like watch the cripp try to get up stairs watching you attempt to make points. I have seen great intellectually fortitude in a colany of ants...
 
At this point I'd like to drop in a photo of Ariel Sharon to laugh at, considering he is suffering the slow agonising death many here including myself wished upon him.

sharon-occultation.jpg


:D
 
Garfield: Thank you for clearly demonstrating my point to Editor and others.

Frog: Just because there is a huge hole here where civility SHOULD exist is not a reason to just give in and say to hell wioth it, let's all be ugly.

PK: Photoshoppe is afun tool but you knid of reveal too much about yourself in the wording. Wishing for an agonising death, for ther man who outlined the Centrist position? The man who gave Gaza to the Arabs and wanted to give the other 85% of the "WB?" Niiiice. I guess you only like people who strive for annihilation...wait, you clearly do.
 
PK: Photoshoppe is afun tool but you knid of reveal too much about yourself in the wording. Wishing for an agonising death, for ther man who outlined the Centrist position? The man who gave Gaza to the Arabs and wanted to give the other 85% of the "WB?" Niiiice. I guess you only like people who strive for annihilation...wait, you clearly do.

"The man who gave Gaza to the Arabs" LOL!! That was Rabin you tool.

Which is why one of your zionist scum murdered him.

The man who massacred men women and children at Chabra and Chatilla you mean.

Oh and yes, a slow agonising death is precisely what I wish the bastard.

:)
 
PK: Um, PK? I hate to tell you but Rabin was murdered before the policy was even formed. It was formed By Sharon. Rabin on the other hand was murdered by a Kahanist because of Oslo, nothing less and nothing more.

The Withdrawal policy was fromulated in 2004, took place in 2005, and Rabin was assasinated in 1995, do the math please.

Sharon murdered noone, the atrocicities you refer to were committed by Christain Lebanese, Phalangists to be specific, and were in retaliation for prior similar atrocities committed by the PLO against Christain Lebanese villages. Lebanon was ruled by the Phalangists at that time and Israel could not stop them even if they wanted to.

The Govt. of Lebanon was allied with Israel but did not take orders from it.

You sound very, very confused.

Wishing a slow and agonising death for the man who has done more for Middle East peace than anyone person since Rabin (maybe that is where you got confused) sounds real niiiiice.
 
Young Palestinian woman dies due to the Israeli siege on Gaza
author Monday April 14, 2008 17:14author by Ghassan Bannoura - IMEMC News Report this post to the editors

Palestinian medical sources in Gaza City reported that one Palestinian patient died on Monday midday, succumbing to cancer after having been denied a permit by the occupying Israeli army to leave the Gaza Strip for treatment.

http://www.imemc.org/article/5419
 
Again, if a person has died from cancer, getting a permit a couple of days quicker is not going to make much difference at all. At the risk of sounding callous, and Heaven knows many will think it so, the poor girl's time was up and the permit's not coming immediately did not effect that one way or the other.

On the other hand as I demonstrated in the second post in this very thread, Israel provides many, many cases of free medical care and has even been targeted by the same people it has treated.

Earlier this month an Israeli team at an Israeli hospital treated Gaszan twins under the age of 2. The reward? They were marked for assaination by HAMAS, who actually carried out an attack but failed, thank G-D.

While terminal patients who would have died either way while waiting for a Humanitarian Pass anyway, Israel remained busy as it alwasy has, treating patients without regard to ethnicity or religion...Truth be told, as I believe I said in a recent post in this very forum the number of Humanitarian passes issued in 2007 were two times as many as were issued in 2006.

Propagnadists will not touch on this because it completely turns the claim on its head, never the less the thread is meaningless.
 
Sharon murdered noone, the atrocicities you refer to were committed by Christain Lebanese, Phalangists to be specific, and were in retaliation for prior similar atrocities committed by the PLO against Christain Lebanese villages. Lebanon was ruled by the Phalangists at that time and Israel could not stop them even if they wanted to.

telling really...

they didn't want to did they though and this intresting disassociation from the war crimes of the IDF and their Leaders....just remind us again who was arming training and leading the Phalangists terrorists against the remainder of the legitimate national guards.... it was the IDF wasn't it.

care to provide documented evidence which is court admissable which would of course be more than the IDF have ever been able to do to deny it.
 
Garfield: Post one is a personal insult so nothing to respond to.

As for the last post you made, "they didn't want to" refers to who and what exactly? Are you saying that the Phlangists did not want to commit atrocities aginst "Palestinians?" If so, you need to hit some serious books because you do not have a clue (if that is your thinking).

I would suggest you research the 16 Christain militias operating in Lebanon at that time, only one of which was even ambivalent about "Palestinians," let alone accepting of them. Hobeika? Pleaseeee.

"Who was arming the Phalangists?": Several groups were, one of which was Israel.

"Who was training them.": Not Israel so your answer is good as any, let us know.

"Who led the Phalangists?": The only Phalangists led by Israel in any way were the Phalangist elements within the SLA.

"Legitimate National Guards.": The army had split along religious (which in this context means ethnic) lines long before, neither was more official than the other, excepting that under the then leadership of the Phalangists only offered their support to the Christain Army.

Care to provide court admissable evidence (sic) which is more than the IDF could ever do.": Are you asking me soemthing, or simply stating something? If asking, which is what it sounds like despite the lack of proper punctuation,how would one provide evidence that soemthing did NOT happen? Please explain how a negative is proved.
 
One more thing...

However, a positive CAN be proved..as in If Israel were at all culpable, it COULD be charged, indicted, and convicted. Of course this has not happened, SO, AGAIN, why has this NOT happened?
 
Garfield: Again, remind me how a NEGATIVE can be proved. Thanks in advance. Forgive me if you do not understand what is being ssaid. LEt me know if you need an explanation, by PM if you are too embarrassed.
 
Nino: "Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.": Shake that rump shaker, its your birthday, shake it-don't break it- it took her 9 months to make it, Go Nino, Go Nino, GO!!!!

Damn boy! You got it going on!!!
 
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