terminally ill patients not allowed out of gaza

[ViolentPanda]

Panda, what is sad though, and I should not even be taking the bait is that you are turning another thread into a garbage pail over imagined differences with a man you have never met. You talk of honesty,etc. Who on this board has been more forthcoming or more obliging?

Mmmm, I see you're adopting your usual "I'll cry a crocodile tear about how I'm being traduced while slipping in a few insults of my own" modus operandi.

I do not even know your name, your gender and yet you know my entire life story.

Enough people on these boards do know my identity and history that I don't feel I need to attempt to support my posts by revealing my personal data to all and sundry.
You, however, obviously do feel the need to do so.

You see fit to make such character judgments of me, who the hell are you? You hide behind a puppet name. Tell us who you are, let us judge YOU. If you are not willing to be judged, how dare you assume you have the right to judge ANYBODY else.

"Us"? Who is this "us" you're implying that you speak for? As far as I'm able to discern, there's only Rachamim, pontificating and attempting to construct a sense of outrage around a false claim that anyone other than he is even remotely interested in my identity.

You talk of a lack of veracity, a reluctance or refusal to provide sources. You veil your insults in semantics but notice, if you can stop being childish, that when asked in a civil manner,even by people who have insulted me in the past, I oblige as best I can.

So the fact that it took me almost a year and constant polite requests that you give me the Chomsky info you promised is "obliging as best you can", even though (by your own words) you were actually in the same place you supposedly had the data stored?
Yeah, right.

Also notice that the person you quoted for "posterity" admits calling me a cun%. Thing is, it has happened so many times that I could not possibly tally them. I also still maintain that my mother was called as much although that truly makes no difference either to me or the issue. It is just indicative of this whole nonsense. I am going to have to ask you to be an adult.

The germane issue is that after you had delayed giving G-D the info he requested for many many months, you then refused to give the info for the single reason that he'd supposedly called your mother a cunt. Not because he'd called YOU a cunt, but because he had supposedly traduced your mother.
To then shift the goalposts to being about traducing you smacks of evasion and falsehood, something you've been lambasted for many times on these boards.

I really don't care if you continue constructing your straw man arguments about "hidden identities", if you slide in ad hominem insults along with your hectoring, if you denigrate others, I merely reserve the right to call attention to it. If that upsets you, then tough luck.

 

[nino_savatte]

A link to an Arab or Activist site or blog will not do anything for me, sorry.

Says the man who never posts links because - in his words - he has "problems with hyperlinks" (sic).

No one could ever accuse you of being hard to please - could they?

 

[Grandma Death]

So the fact that it took me almost a yearand constant polite requests that you give me the Chomsky info you promised is "obliging as best you can", even though (by your own words) you were actually in the same place you supposedly had the data stored?
Yeah, right.

Mmmm....a pattern is developing I feel.

 

[frogwoman]

the idea of "amnesty never given a fair shake to Israel" reminds me of the zimbabwe information minister's comments about human rights watch ... "these reports come out so often they're becoming a joke"

 

[rachamim18]

Panda: "First comment": INSULT.

"Second Comment.":Enough people know Panda other as a cartoon name. That is great, but i do not, you do however have my lifestory and yet sit there calling me a liar, and so forth. Pretty uneven I would say. Anyway, I do respect a person's right to anonymity in this type of thing anyway, just kind of grates when such a person uses that as a shiled to muckrake. Avoid expletives but insult anyway and thewn when called on it say it is crocodile tears.

I should ask you, do you hold doors for those in wheelchairs who would allow it? If so, why then would you see civility online as somnething to totally disregard? Are we not all human? If I see myself able to even post in this forum, I think the least some people could do was act like rational adults, or at the very least ADULTS.

"Third Comment.":"Who is us?": Us is everyone prusing this forum. Fair enough I would think.

It would be exceedingly easy to use a screenname like Ren or Stimpy, call yo a simpering malcontent (so so mild as compared to what you and others say but...) but instead would rather say, "Look, this is who I am (as I did on my first post here in 04), this is what I think, let us discuss the issue."

I find it pretty amazing that those who call Israel brutal, racist, oppressive, and so on are the first ones to shout me down and curse me when my opinion does not match their apparently cement tight ideology.

My very first post here, in which I honestly stated that I was an IDF Reserrvist, I was cursed and called so by more than one poster (think 4?). It is just indicative of the atmosphere here and that is why so many people holding views different than yours refuse to even consider posting here.

I cannot count the number of PMs I have received over the past 3 odd years asking me why in the world I bother. I always quote Talmud to them but they cannot stomach this nonsense. I often need to cast it off for a month, and yet i am still willing to talk. When will you say the same?

 

[frogwoman]

look mate, i have people in my family with the same beliefs as you, i know both sides of the argument, i dont hate you or anything like that, just think the israeli government is being completely out of order and has been for a very very long time ...

 

[rachamim18]

Panda:"Chomsky info for almost a year.": Because after July 06 I reupped for a year of Active Duty. My responsbilities kept me in another part of my nation for 5.5 days a week and often 7 days. I also had 3 kids to worry about, also serving, a command poisition, and financial responsiblities. Hope that did not get in the way of facts you could have just Googled but that is not what the bulk of this forum is about is it?

"Mommy is a cun%.": It was an example. I myself hasve been called it so many times that using it as an example would have been mundane and even counter productive. It did happen but it makes no difference, the word is the word whether used against me or my mother (the irony being that I do not have a warm relationship, or did not with my late mother). The point was the lack of civility.


"Denigrate others.": Saying i doubt someone's claim is not ad hom. I will make you a friendly wager. I will leave this board forever if you can produce a post where I have cursed another poster. I do not even print curses in other subjects, always substituting other keybard characters to get the point across. Civility Panda, civlity, it is a simple concept.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino:"The man that never posts links.": Have you even bothered to read this thread? Please do so, you are making gaffes again.


Frog: Then seimply show us some that do give a fiar shake. The closest they come is in admitting, in a report condemning us for Cluster Munitions, that Hez did so as well, in one paragraph nestled in among our multi page condemnation,etc. I follow the reports as some do the Markets.

"Zmbabwe.": More miscparisons with other national dynamics? Serbia was not enough? Yes of course, because Olmert is Mugabe.

"Hate you.": You are my sister whether you realise it or not. I took a vow to die for you more than 2.5 decades ago so whether you hate me or love me, it makes no difference. For the record though, i never have gotten the impression you are distinctly negative towards me, just that you hold opinions MYSELF consider misguided and naive....no offence of course.

 

[frogwoman]

erm no ... i didn't seriously compare Israel and Zimbabwe, just the comments on their human rights reports which I found quite funny . I dont think Israel's that bad.

 

[frogwoman]

"Hate you.": You are my sister whether you realise it or not. I took a vow to die for you more than 2.5 decades ago so whether you hate me or love me, it makes no difference. For the record though, i never have gotten the impression you are distinctly negative towards me, just that you hold opinions MYSELF consider misguided and naive....no offence of course.

of course i realise it, i just wish that the state of Israel would take a different path to what its doing, and that it would be recognised that it was founded on a very dodgy basis, and reparations made. i wouldn't care so much about the state of Israel and what it does, if i wasn't jewish but because I am i feel that it matters to me because its actions are disgracing the jewish people.

im not blaming the ordinary israelis just the government ,settlers and the ideology which is promoted there ...

 

[rachamim18]

Frog: "Founded on a dodgy basis.": Hoe so, it was legally ratified into existence by the UN who also awasrded land to the "Palestinians" who had refuysed it and refused it again withthe Ratification.

You also seem unaware that out of 36 nations in the Mid-East, including the 32 Arab ones, only Israel has ANY historical basis for its existence. Every other nation incuding modern Egypt is entirely fictitious and yet this makes you questions Israel's right?

 

[Grandma Death]

"Mommy is a cun%.": It was an example. I myself hasve been called it so many times that using it as an example would have been mundane and even counter productive. It did happen but it makes no difference, the word is the word whether used against me or my mother (the irony being that I do not have a warm relationship, or did not with my late mother). The point was the lack of civility.

Funnily enough looking through the archives I noted that laptop also called you a cunt. However you carried on debating with him....funny that eh liar boy

 

[nino_savatte]

You also seem unaware that out of 36 nations in the Mid-East, including the 32 Arab ones, only Israel has ANY historical basis for its existence. Every other nation incuding modern Egypt is entirely fictitious and yet this makes you questions Israel's right?

Really? That's not what I've read. It seems to me that you're making things up again. Can you post a link for this flight of fancy?

 

[rachamim18]

Gradnma: What has escaped you is that while Laptop and a few others have said as much and quite worse, they have not doggedly does so for a year straight in every thread I post in. So much for "until next year," but this is will suffice as a sort of post script.

You want answers? Is that it? You could not search yourself? You missed the thread where ISM was found to have doctored the photos, evidence provided by another poster? Or are you just a crusader for integrity? One who has never , to my knowledge cursed another poster over proof of any other view?

Oris that you have seriously never heard of Joeseph Smith, aka Carr and Christain Peacemakers? Or know nothing about ISM?

On UVDA? Ever hear of Ilana Dayan, aka Ilana Dayan Orbach? Oh yeah, she is in another libel suit as I post this, this one involving a rabbi so you place stock in great sources.

Whatever. You insult,m expletives or not, obsses, and question why you are not answered. Hmmm...

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino:"The man that never posts links.": Have you even bothered to read this thread? Please do so, you are making gaffes again.

Here's a piece of advice: if you are going to tell lies, then it helps to remember what lies you have told and to whom. It is clear that, in this case, you have done neither.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: A link? On what? That ancient Iraq existed? That Pharos now rule Egypt? That ancient Egptians were Semites? That all Arabs originated in Hejaz about 800 years prior to the Common Era? Be specific.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: A link? On what? That ancient Iraq existed? That Pharos now rule Egypt? That ancient Egptians were Semites? That all Arabs originated in Hejaz about 800 years prior to the Common Era? Be specific.

Er, what the fuck are you talking about? I'd lay off the skag if I were you, pal.

 

[rachamim18]

Skag? I wish but thanks for he goodwishes. Actually it belonged in the thread where you questioned me for a link regarding the historical right of Israel to exist, and that same lack in all Arab nations. I will leave it as is though since in your compassion and urge to help you have pointed out its misplacement. Just keep it in mind in your other inquisition.

 

[Grandma Death]

Gradnma: What has escaped you is that while Laptop and a few others have said as much and quite worse, they have not doggedly does so for a year straight in every thread I post in. So much for "until next year," but this is will suffice as a sort of post script.

More lies.

You want answers? Is that it? You could not search yourself?

I have-how about you try as well?

You missed the thread where ISM was found to have doctored the photos, evidence provided by another poster?

I want evidence that the ISM leadership confessed to doctoring the phots. That was the claim made by yourself over a year ago.

 

[rachamim18]

No, they confessed that the photos were doctored, not that the leadership did it. You are losing it. Obsession has a way of doing this. Be careful and consider seeking help. It is not a sign of weakness. Your mind is important.

 

[nino_savatte]

Skag? I wish but thanks for he goodwishes. Actually it belonged in the thread where you questioned me for a link regarding the historical right of Israel to exist, and that same lack in all Arab nations. I will leave it as is though since in your compassion and urge to help you have pointed out its misplacement. Just keep it in mind in your other inquisition.

The opiates are messing up your mind, pal. "Historical right to exist"? What an excuse for the continued state-sponsored brutality towards another group of people.

Aye, "skag". An auld junkie like you should know what the slang is for his favourite drug.

 

[nino_savatte]

No, they confessed that the photos were doctored, not that the leadership did it. You are losing it. Obsession has a way of doing this. Be careful and consider seeking help. It is not a sign of weakness. Your mind is important.

So says the poster who is obsessed with proving how pseudo-scientific theories demonstrate territorial rights

 

[Grandma Death]

No, they confessed that the photos were doctored, not that the leadership did it.

Jesus wept. Read your claim again and read what Ive posted.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: "First comment": INSULT.

Yes, your first comment was an insult, wasn't it?

"Second Comment.":Enough people know Panda other as a cartoon name. That is great, but i do not, you do however have my lifestory and yet sit there calling me a liar, and so forth. Pretty uneven I would say.

Not really. Anonymity or not doesn't actually reflect particularly much on the checkable veracity of statements, whatever you may believe to the contrary.

Anyway, I do respect a person's right to anonymity in this type of thing anyway, just kind of grates when such a person uses that as a shiled to muckrake. Avoid expletives but insult anyway and thewn when called on it say it is crocodile tears.

Boo-hoo.

I should ask you, do you hold doors for those in wheelchairs who would allow it? If so, why then would you see civility online as somnething to totally disregard? Are we not all human? If I see myself able to even post in this forum, I think the least some people could do was act like rational adults, or at the very least ADULTS.

I do actually have to spend some time in a wheelchair, and the rest on sticks/crutches, and can't see where personal courtesy in the flesh comes into your argument.
Of course we're all human, and that very fact is why we don't all conform to a particular and delineated set of behaviours.

"Third Comment.":"Who is us?": Us is everyone prusing this forum. Fair enough I would think.

You speak only for yourself, Rachamim, unless you are able to establish otherwise, something you have not done. therefore, claiming an "us" that is actually only "you" is to say the least somewhat disingenuous.

It would be exceedingly easy to use a screenname like Ren or Stimpy, call yo a simpering malcontent (so so mild as compared to what you and others say but...) but instead would rather say, "Look, this is who I am (as I did on my first post here in 04), this is what I think, let us discuss the issue."

By all means do so. To do so won't change reality, and reality is that your attempts to manipulate, obfuscate and propagandise may be revealed as what they are, and your record on doing so revealed as what it is, by anyone who wishes to do so, under the rules of the forum.
If you choose to bind yourself to some false claim to courteous behaviour (while very obviously indulging in insults yourself), then that's your choice.

I find it pretty amazing that those who call Israel brutal, racist, oppressive, and so on are the first ones to shout me down and curse me when my opinion does not match their apparently cement tight ideology.

That's not actually often the case though, is it?
What is often the case is that someone will argue a point and then you will condescend to pontificate on the subject, then expect all posters to accept your (generally unsupported) claims as "gospel truth".

My very first post here, in which I honestly stated that I was an IDF Reserrvist, I was cursed and called so by more than one poster (think 4?). It is just indicative of the atmosphere here and that is why so many people holding views different than yours refuse to even consider posting here.

And yet all of those posters have since been banned, I believe.

I cannot count the number of PMs I have received over the past 3 odd years asking me why in the world I bother. I always quote Talmud to them but they cannot stomach this nonsense. I often need to cast it off for a month, and yet i am still willing to talk. When will you say the same?

I talk, just not on the terms you dictate. If you don't like that, then tough luck.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda:"Chomsky info for almost a year.": Because after July 06 I reupped for a year of Active Duty. My responsbilities kept me in another part of my nation for 5.5 days a week and often 7 days. I also had 3 kids to worry about, also serving, a command poisition, and financial responsiblities. Hope that did not get in the way of facts you could have just Googled but that is not what the bulk of this forum is about is it?

1) I asked in mid '05.
2) The "facts" were centered around notes you claimed to have that weren't represented on the internet, specifically notes that "busted" Chomsky, but which you claimed weren't part and parcel of the wave of character assassination that Chomsky was being barraged with at the time. So much for "googling", huh?

"Mommy is a cun%.": It was an example. I myself hasve been called it so many times that using it as an example would have been mundane and even counter productive. It did happen but it makes no difference, the word is the word whether used against me or my mother (the irony being that I do not have a warm relationship, or did not with my late mother). The point was the lack of civility.

You claimed it as a fact (to paraphrase) "Granny called my mom a cunt". Not an example, but a written fact. It makes the world of a difference between the reality of what you said, and the way in which you have represented yourself as a victim of oppressive behaviour.

"Denigrate others.": Saying i doubt someone's claim is not ad hom. I will make you a friendly wager. I will leave this board forever if you can produce a post where I have cursed another poster. I do not even print curses in other subjects, always substituting other keybard characters to get the point across. Civility Panda, civlity, it is a simple concept.

1) How do you define "curse"?
2) You assume I'd wish you to leave the board, Rachamim. I don't.
3) I reserve civility for people who haven't lied to me, call it a quid pro quo if you will.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: "The old junkie.": Kind of ironic on a board that devotes significant bandwitdth towards Harm Reduction and a Drug Forum but you pick your own battles. Of course someone who must circumvent parental controls in order to post is in a fine position to question my personal life, all of which by the way,I offer up because I am so inherently dishonest.

Ironic also that it was Arab bullet fragments that caused my addiction all those years ago. Care to offer trite witticisms love?

 

[rachamim18]

Panda: "Asked mid 05.": Ahhh, yeah, then I was only pumping my pension by doing 7 days a week caisson work underneath the Willis Ave. Bridge. Silly me, should have swam to shore and satisfy that innate curiosity. However, if you are willing to wait until after April 1st, pose the question or whatever question you have, and continue to maintain this semblance of civlity, I will do my best to oblige.

I will be a bit busy then but should be able to swing it.

"Notes I have.":Then it is a grand idea because just as in 05, after the 1st I will be back in the cesspool known as the US for at least a week and SHOULD be able to get all my Chomsky crap.

"Cun%." Maybe you misread me. I said I still maintain she/he did so. I used it as an example of the lack of civility, not a made up expletive that is used as an example. It actually happened and obviously garnered much more of a reaction than anytime I have been called a cun* myself...which has been countless numbers of times. So I guess my rationalisation paid off, yes?

I would love to provide the post since for some ludicrous reason it is seen as so important when the same person regularly called me the same name, but that is life. I am not an Admin. and have no unrestricted access, although that person claimed in a subsequent post Editor did give me access?

I have never seen where THAT happened, offered unrestricted access, but it would be great ofr other reasons.

"How do define curse?":EXPLETIVE in English generally speaking. I use them quite liberally in reality, especially in the army, but not in discourse either online or elsewhere. While my English is not all encompassing I do think that as in all languages there are viable alternatives IF one must get a strong point across.

"Want Rachamim to leave the board.": Oh I had not thought wither way as far as that goes. Just a friendly wager to prove a point.

"Reserve civility for non-liars.": Perfect example of unrestricted access I would love. Asking a person to provide a source, especially a source not found online, and a person offers to do their best, or even swears to do it as soon as possible, and then it gets laid by the wayside is not a "lie" in my book...but then it is obvious we read different books.

If you will remember, the crap with him/her began while was amidst my Service which I believed would end in late March, a time at which I offered to fufill that person's request.

I ended up extended until June 30th and was not able to dig through reams of court documents,etc. as I would have preferred to do actually. I still however promised to oblige at the soonest possible date but was of course told I was this, that, and the other.

Since then I have been ridden even in other forums by this same charcter in what seems to be a case of obssesion, unhealthy to say the least.

I do not see myself as that lonely of a person that I would need vindication at the cost of actually learning and exchanging REAL views. You want quid pro, as you wish but we obviously see two different sides to the coin.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: "The old junkie.": Kind of ironic on a board that devotes significant bandwitdth towards Harm Reduction and a Drug Forum but you pick your own battles. Of course someone who must circumvent parental controls in order to post is in a fine position to question my personal life, all of which by the way,I offer up because I am so inherently dishonest.

Ironic also that it was Arab bullet fragments that caused my addiction all those years ago. Care to offer trite witticisms love?

What the fuck are you talking about? You're desperately flailing about here. You see, I've come to the conclusion that there is literally no point in discussing anything with you. You aren't here for open, honest and sincere discussion; you're here to make noise and spread poison. I had you bang to rights the first time I saw you here. I think anyone who thinks that they can have a decent discussion with you is either terminally stupid or hopelessly optimistic.

This sounds like the sort of thing a contestant from X Factor/ Pop/American Idol would say to get the sympathy of the judges.

Ironic also that it was Arab bullet fragments that caused my addiction

Given the number of lies that you've told, I am finding this rather hard to believe because, you see, I only have your word for this and your word isn't worth squat.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: "WTF are you talking about, you are flailing around here,etc.,et.c,and so on.": "Auld Junkie....": Ring bells? Bels like the ones at school. Remember that homeowkr and do not keep staying up past your bedtime, education really is important Ninito and you do not want to graducate Second Form at 53 instead of 52, right? Wait! Got to keep flailing, be back in a bit.

"Nino had Rachamim bang to rights the first time Rachamim posted here.": Yes Nino, because that first time is when you belittled me for the first time. Kind of like our anniversarry, right love? Where shall we go? Most places have minimum ages for alcohol and I know you mght want some watered down wine, hmmmmm, maybe just Fish and Chips like our first go around?

Actually love, this is is perfectly indicative of why I complain about you (to your cyber face of course....Yikes! What an image that provoked). The very first time you did not offe rme a chance to offer my opinion, you merely trashed me and then have whined forevermore. But that is ok because see? I understand youngsters. 7 of my own (6 alive), I understand you youngsters.

Sometimes you get so wound up thinking about trips to the aquariam, getting new stickers for your collecton, or BoyBands that you simply cannot concentrate. It is ok, old Rachamim will be there for you.


"American Idol.": Well, although I will be in the Us shortly, hthere is a version of the show here in the good old Philippines. Maybe you wish to come and audition? They love handicapped folks, believes that their affliction brings them closer to G-D and all that. You would love it here. You know, "simpering gimp" is actually a term of affection among the locals so that you should find yourself in heaven...something like waking up thinking about BoyZone and needing to change the knickers.

Flights are cheap, you can sing that ditty you just did the other day in daycare, and it will be a blast. "Simper! Simper! Simper!." I can hear it now.I want a peercentage though, 40 Pesos per Dollar now, we can work it out when you get your psych release worked out for Immigration and all. Thorazine is dfficult to find here so I am told so that you need to stock p prior to booking that double wide seat.

Remember, do not allow them to charge you extra for it though, you ain't heavy, you're my brudda (or sister as I know you are so sensitive on that birth defect but hey, it is bound to happen with so many babies being born!). Good luck.

"My word.": Hey, it was good enough for you THAT night...but anyway, what do you desire? A hyperlink to a source showing I took a 5 pointer up the old snout? X-rays? Be specific love, you are so frisky SOME times. MEOW!

 

[nino_savatte]

Another opiated rant from Rachamim.