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[Grandma Death]

Panda, what is sad though, and I should not even be taking the bait is that you are turning another thread into a garbage pail over imagined differences with a man you have never met. You talk of honesty,etc. Who on this board has been more forthcoming or more obliging?

I do not even know your name, your gender and yet you know my entire life story. You see fit to make such character judgments of me, who the hell are you? You hide behind a puppet name. Tell us who you are, let us judge YOU. If you are not willing to be judged, how dare you assume you have the right to judge ANYBODY else.

Are you really that deluded? Do you think that somehow by exposing your real name and life story marks you as having some sort of integrity? It would appear that besides your ad hom defence, this old chestnut is wheeled out now and again. I do believe you are, what we call away, with the fairys

Also notice that the person you quoted for "posterity" admits calling me a cun%. Thing is, it has happened so many times that I could not possibly tally them.

What you can't count to two?

 

[Grandma Death]

your access to archives isn't resricted and was shown to be a total fabrication in the subisquent post.

post up or retract it's your call...

Rach retract?

He isn't capable in the slightest of doing such a thing-this you know garf.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

No, that is silly. But have you ever been allowed inside an IDF Base? Seen how they truly operate? A Checkpoint to see it from the soldiers' view? Routine Ops to see even the pressures faced on patrols in our own Israel Proper? Make jokes, but it shows alot when you do you know.

why would an internal miltary base give me any perspective which wasn't 100% apparent to me by facing a check point anywhere within palestine? I/m pretty much sure that check points on milatay bases are far far far nicer and less officious and don't have the smack of handing preppy kids guns and filling their minds with hate and or fear.

routine ops to see the soliders standign by say in hebron as repeatdly a child is stoned and his family and the soliders scream at them to get back inside their home.

routine ops like in bil'iln where despite an Israel courts judical review and alteration of the appartide Wall's route it's not been moved and weekly demonstrations of children and young teens are met with hails of rubber bullet's tear gas and in some cases live ammo.

routine ops like bolcking off roads to villages to lay seige to them?

rotuine ops like check point's near Tulkuram to prevent people getting to the Palestine town.

Rotuine ops like throwing stun grenades at children in a densely packed occupied east jerusalm becuase an orthodox man claimed they through stones at him when in reality they laughed like all children do when he tripped over, his compalint was a repsonse to the laughter.

The actions permenantly deafing one child and giving sever burns to another.

A thrid child was taken and held for 4 days despite having nothing to do with it. That kind of routine op.

Perhaps it's that you'd like me to observe an IDF training session where they are taught to fire 2 feet in front of people with live ammo so the ricochet bounces upwards eviserating intestines livers stomachs kidneys lungs shattering spines etc but of course can be called a stray bullet because no IDF personell ever aimed directly at a palestinian.

perhaps you mean the routine ops where they tell a family you have 5 minutes to leave your home before we bulldoze it and everything you own, because it's 'illegal' despite there having been almost no planning permissions given to Palestinians to build homes in their own land year in year out meaning that they have to build illegally. and the occuping force refuses to allow them to live on their own land.

Perhaps you are talking about routine ops where you get your own handeller who will follow you round for 3 weeks at a time that kind of routine ops...

you mean see that in action.

you are liar and a fake.

no human being could go to palestine or into isreal without seeing the IDF on routine patrols or see how they opperate.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Rach retract?

He isn't capable in the slightest of doing such a thing-this you know garf.

in which case one should still petition him for it if nothing else to remind others of what a slippiery liar the poster is...

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: "Why see Checkpoints on military bases?": I hate to say it because I really do hate all this antagonism and off subject nonsense but it is comments like that that convince me that you have never been to my nation.

What Points on bases? There are guardhouses at entrances and classified sections but that has nothing to do with "checking people" and what not and non-military personel as a rule are forbidden on bases anyway, unless they have extremely good connections.

With Checkpoints there 3 types. You have the International Crossing Points, which most every nation has. You then have the average 3 per major route that do not check ALL IDs and packages unless under Security Alerts, and then you have Mobiles, which are Counter Terror and run according to specific Intel almost all of the time.

"Preppy kids handed guns.": Sorry, another one that is the same...Preppy? Service is performed in between 2nd Form and University. I am not an expert in English but believe the word "peppy" denotes hyper ambitious capitalist youth.We are still much closer to Socialism than we are to Capitalism despite the strides of Likud.

The ISP out here is acting up so I will respond in a short series of replies as opposed to losing the posts as has been the case for the past hour...

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: "Routine Ops ion Hebron.": Funny in a way. First, that name, Hebron in Anglised Hebrew, is JEWISH. Arabs have tried to rename is al Khalil but of course even they are forced to deal with reality sometimes.

The town is also my ancestral hometown, and I have served there in the past so I feel a need to address your comment.

"It WAS my ancestral hometown until 1929 when my father's father, and my father's oldest brother were part of the massacarre that extyerminated a Jewish Community that dated to the time of Abraham. Food for thougght when accusing Jews of throwing stones there....


But Jews DO commit crimes against Arabs in the town, in the Souk actually, in Central Hebron which is the first site of Religious Settlerism. SOME Jews feel that they have the natural right to take back some of the Jewish property stoen in 29.

The IDF does not have a mandate or even legal right to arrest anyone in the "WB" for crimes against Arabs although the IDF is mandated to prevent as many as possible. Arrests are made by either Border or SB and as stated the other day, we have more than several hundred Israeli Jews currently incarcerated, including a 14 year odl girl, for such acts against Arabs, even for putting up posters calling for anti-0Arabism.

Garfield, how many Arabs sit in either the PA or HAMAS jails for any crimes against any Israeli? Let alone Jews!

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: "Routine Ops like the Apartheid Wall.": First, you have yet to explain, despite repeated questioning, to rationalise how one Semitic group could be engaging in Apartheid with another Semitic Group|?

You also have failed to ever acknowledge that the Barrier has caused a drop in the high 90th percentile in deadly attacks emanating from areas bordered by it.

Again the comment causes me to doubt your claim of having gone there because only a small portion is anything other than Chainlink (albeit with razor atop it). WALL shows a lack of first hand knowledge although admittedly propagandists bandy the word around enough so that you might use that line of reasoning. Still, it is incorrect and at the very least misleading.

"Blocking off roads to villages.": When searching for terrorists it is standard procedure anywhere in the world to draw a perimeter. Villages are not laid siege, IDs are checked and it never lasts more than 48 to 72 hours.

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: "Blocking Tulkarm.": Riiiiight. This has never happened. Checkpoints only operate as described above.

"Stun grenades thrown at Arab kids because an elderly Jew was laughed at.": That never happened. Sorry. Just like we use radioactive weapons in the "WB" and kidnap Arab babies for ransom as has been claimed in the Arab media. Please rely on mainstream and verifiable sources.

"IDf is taught to fire 2 feet in front of them so a to inflict more damage.": We train in Close Quarter Urban Combat and operate in some of the most densely populated places on Earth. Had we been EVER trained to do such a ridiculous thing (it endangers IDF personel as much as others so it will never be true) it would be well filmed and documented and we would be in the Hague but of course that is not the case, is it?

 

[rachamim18]

"Given 5 minutes to vacate because of illegal building which is Isrtael's fault having not issued any permits for a whole year.": The last claim, the lack of permits is incorrect. The first? It is not performed in this manner, again leading me to doubt your claim of having gone there.

Families are legally notified. If they ignore REPEATED notifications, the building WILL be torn down just as it would be in your nation. It is remiss of Israel to allow unpermitted and uninspected buildings to stand endangering not only their occupants but neighbours as well. As stated, it is often the most densely populated spot on the planet and a shoddy 5 story building collapsing in Younis could kill, conceivably, 10,000 or more.

We no longer have or exercise the responsibility in Gaza but the problem remains in the "WB."

"Own handler.": I do not work for Central Command nor do I work in Public Relations. I am a combat officer (retired) with 3 kids on Active, and plenty of mates and you would be on your own unless you asked a question, or attempted to document or access restricted facilities. Sorry you see only one side, if you ever go.

"Could not be there without seeing the IDF on Ops.": See from outside. If you see it from the perspective of the actors, it then allows you a chance to better evaluate your beliefs,etc. Your lack of iniative shows your lack of objectivity and therefore agenda. Sad.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Garfield: "Blocking Tulkarm.": Riiiiight. This has never happened. Checkpoints only operate as described above.

"Stun grenades thrown at Arab kids because an elderly Jew was laughed at.": That never happened. Sorry. Just like we use radioactive weapons in the "WB" and kidnap Arab babies for ransom as has been claimed in the Arab media. Please rely on mainstream and verifiable sources.

oh dear how do you explain this photogrpah then are lies too did they never happen should we call their mothers and tell them they made a mistake and did not give birth...

you are the liar you have faield to provide evidence upon evidence...

we go on with debunk your fabrications and slander...

or this video

both shot by me and people with me, whilst there last time...

so if they didn't happen are you calling me a liar Rach...

did what i saw with my own eye's not happen?

what basis are you suggesting that i'm an unrealible witness to a war crime,
can you refute the actions i have seen with my own eyes, tell me i haven't seen it. tell me one of my colegues whislt reporting in bil'in was shot in the head, tell me i haven't seen that too i suppose.

Tell me this isn't the casing of a round fired by a sniper at the same place...

come on rach i mean i'd have to have been there to take these photos shoot video right but i have some bias as you can see there's context around these shots and videos and they have been edited right ... i mean the comentary n them is inflamitory right it's judeophoic ...

oh shit wait there's no commentary nothing just the raw footage as shot the raw photos resized in photoshop but other than that nothing not an alteration not a blemish removed no commentary nothign to infer one way or the other... no bias just plain fact.

What we like to call and you have scant regard for, evidence.

There is not one and i mean not one thing i have said whcih i cannot provide evidence for.

Why is this not something you can say about any of your mendious racist supremacist right which rhetoric laden bile infested viccious decietful obnoxious obsiquious false unverifiable discredited and outragious lies you have told on this site.

"IDf is taught to fire 2 feet in front of them so a to inflict more damage.": We train in Close Quarter Urban Combat and operate in some of the most densely populated places on Earth. Had we been EVER trained to do such a ridiculous thing (it endangers IDF personel as much as others so it will never be true) it would be well filmed and documented and we would be in the Hague but of course that is not the case, is it?

except that it is... and it's all on google for all to find... I'll post up links to it if you like...

once you've provided the evidence to your claim that ISM doctored photographs of rachel ok...

when you are ready...

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: "Explain the photo.": Which one? First one?If you mean the 3rd one, it does not appear as anything other than unfocused something which I cannot make heads or tails of, perhaps you might post it again while reediting the file size?

"Mothers gave birth.": Right, where is the case and where is the independant media coverage?

"Video.": I have a 56k broadband setup ove rhere and it will not run the video. Not knowing anything about who or what you really are, how would I know you or especially one of your alleged companions took any video in the country? Your mistakes on basic issues are too much Garfield.

Caqll you a liar? That would be something I would not do. I have said I do not believe,etc. Not a semantics expert like some in this forum but I do know enough to recognise the distinct difference.

"Witnessing a warcrime.": Then, it should be a snap to submit at the Hague, go for it. I would be the first to report such an atrocity were I to recognise even my own platoon commit it.

"Sniper round.": I will gladly tell you since I myself am a sniper, or was at one time. What systems do we use Garfield? Do you even know what shell that is?

By the way, unless you measure the grain, and even then it will not be 100 accurate, you have no real idea who fired any shell.

"Shot video, take pics.": The net allows us to download most things and there is no proof of anyone having been anywhere. If I knew your face, and saw it in a video, or pic, that would be different, and no, i am not trying to have you violate your convictions not to reveal who and/or what you are, just stating the facts.

"Racist, supremacist,etc.": Sorry, going to have to ask you again, to act adult like and furthermore, if you are going to make such claims, at least provide a rationale for calling me such things. If anyone seems to have a real bias I am afraid that would be you. Tread lightly because you reveal the wrong thing.

"Post links.": I do not need links about IDF training to deliberately maim because if it weere even half true, we would be in a thread about the Tribuanal, rightr? Not to mention you are talking to an IDF Captain, in Infantry who specialised in CQUC and a graduate of the highest Infantry training available in my nation (Adam).

A link to an Arab or Activist site or blog will not do anything for me, sorry.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

i'm in the video you dummy...

the wall in the shot is a well know one near tulkram check point.

the shot fo the bread stand being engulfed by the grenade explosion is the bread stand by damacus gate east J all recogniseable and corboratetorble have been feature in the the islamic time s and also in amnesty report regaridn ghuman rights abuse...

sorry son but you are having your bottom handed to you on a sliver platter here...

walk away before you look any more foolish.

you utter liar...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

and once again the scurring away tail between their legs without any apology explaination or to retract their lies...

 

[Grandma Death]

and once again the scurring away tail between their legs without any apology explaination or to retract their lies...

Its the one thing he excels at Garf.

 

[Grandma Death]

in which case one should still petition him for it if nothing else to remind others of what a slippiery liar the poster is...

Not a chance....I'm never letting this go. I see it as my duty to expose this apologist lair for what he is. After trawling through the archives and seeing his trail of lies and deceit in my earlier post the whole forum needs to know about this liar.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Not a chance....I'm never letting this go. I see it as my duty to expose this apologist lair for what he is. After trawling through the archives and seeing his trail of lies and deceit in my earlier post the whole forum needs to know about this liar.

I am amazed actually at the tenacity of his accusations.

particularlly that i haven't been to israel recently, perhaps i should post an image of me meeting vanunnu by way of proof after all he's certainly not been outside of israel for some time...

 

[The Black Hand]

Well done Garfield. Respect.

 

[The Black Hand]

Thing we should also consider , I hope, is that this occurred as my nation was amidst Withdrawal from Gaza. Anyone who sees Israel as the oppressor in Gaza needs to check their objectivity.

Hahahahahahhaahahhahaahahahhahahahahhaahhahahahahahaha - comedy gold.

 

[rachamim18]

"Garfield": Go to Bluelight, look at photos of me, you will see who I am. You post a video, that I can not even access, and say it is you. I have never seen a pic of you so how would I evaluate it? It makes no sense.


"Wall is well known." I have 24 years service and mostly in that area and do not know it so going to have to laugh at that one. Or maybe you knew it well on your supposed single visit.

"Bread stand.": I do not se any suvh photo, maybe the one not focused? It makes no difference. As stated, WHO ARE YOU? You have never before posted anything to identify whoyou are so how would I know who you are. Anyway, who cares? If you have been there than that is all that should matter to you, what does it matter what I think? Again however, you make too many basic gaffes and i do not believe you.

Amnesty Report.": You mean the same Amnesty that has never once given a fair shake to Israel. Sorry Garfiueld but Amnesty is only an Activisam group, not a governmental or judicialorganisation. They can report a wart on my dogs nu$% and it does not mean a thing without CORRORBARATING evidence...and sorry, the words of alleged victims in such a report so not corroborate anything, they generate it.

 

[rachamim18]

Attica: You missed the entire issue or are a person with no objectiviety whatsoever. the girl was not acting alone, she was part of an organisation.

"Israel oppresses, kills, brutalises" and yet saved HER life , FOR FREE, gave her express passes that are independant of closures, and she tried to murder everyone who heped her with an organisation setting the agenda. Maybe you might actually look into the issue being discussed?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

"Garfield": Go to Bluelight, look at photos of me, you will see who I am. You post a video, that I can not even access, and say it is you. I have never seen a pic of you so how would I evaluate it? It makes no sense.


"Wall is well known." I have 24 years service and mostly in that area and do not know it so going to have to laugh at that one. Or maybe you knew it well on your supposed single visit.

"Bread stand.": I do not se any suvh photo, maybe the one not focused? It makes no difference. As stated, WHO ARE YOU? You have never before posted anything to identify whoyou are so how would I know who you are. Anyway, who cares? If you have been there than that is all that should matter to you, what does it matter what I think? Again however, you make too many basic gaffes and i do not believe you.

Amnesty Report.": You mean the same Amnesty that has never once given a fair shake to Israel. Sorry Garfiueld but Amnesty is only an Activisam group, not a governmental or judicialorganisation. They can report a wart on my dogs nu$% and it does not mean a thing without CORRORBARATING evidence...and sorry, the words of alleged victims in such a report so not corroborate anything, they generate it.

my god...


the only thing i can liken this piffle to is franly a drowing kitten scratching feebly at the side of a pail...

It's pityful really...

 

[Grandma Death]

Amnesty Report.": You mean the same Amnesty that has never once given a fair shake to Israel. Sorry Garfiueld but Amnesty is only an Activisam group, not a governmental or judicialorganisation. They can report a wart on my dogs nu$% and it does not mean a thing without CORRORBARATING evidence...and sorry, the words of alleged victims in such a report so not corroborate anything, they generate it.

Ha Ha Ha Ha......of my god....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......

Classic apologist rach-jesus wept

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: If you want to send me a viewable pic/vido of you there, and some of you in the past etc in an iidentifiable way, you are welcome to and i wil admt that you hagve been there, albie in a fog, but thenyou would never consider such a thing, it entails actual honesty and integrity. Not to be insulting despiter you almost everpresent ad hom attacks but it is sort of sad.

"Checkpoints on army bases manned by preppy kids who are barred from international hostels.":Talk about laughable, but hey, believe whateveryou wish,etc. Like my natiuon, I believe in personal freedom.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Garfield: If you want to send me a viewable pic/vido of you there, and some of you in the past etc in an iidentifiable way, you are welcome to and i wil admt that you hagve been there, albie in a fog, but thenyou would never consider such a thing, it entails actual honesty and integrity. Not to be insulting despiter you almost everpresent ad hom attacks but it is sort of sad.

"Checkpoints on army bases manned by preppy kids who are barred from international hostels.":Talk about laughable, but hey, believe whateveryou wish,etc. Like my natiuon, I believe in personal freedom.

yes i'll do that right away....

identify myself perosnally to a supremacist so you can meet up with me later on this year...

sorry love but i'm not that stupid...

 

[Grandma Death]

yes i'll do that right away....

identify myself perosnally to a supremacist so you can meet up with me later on this year...

sorry love but i'm not that stupid...

Listen you-you hide behind a made up name and will not show footage of yourself on that video. You are a fake damn you garf....a fake!

 

[Grandma Death]

Not to be insulting despiter you almost everpresent ad hom attacks but it is sort of sad.

Waffle waffle...drone drone....waffle waffle.....ad hom blah de fucking blah.

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: First, have it your way but then that settles your question of a visit as i see it. As for "Supremacst," again, proof? Where have I expressed it?

Sad. but this is tuyrning into another garbagepail thread. You CLAIM to care so much about this issue, an issue where people are dying, and all you do is engage in name calling and such, then act insulted when you claim soemthing you obviously have no way of proving. As i said, your visit is you business but another thing to thinkabout:

Has it ever occurred to you that the nation you claim is brutalising and opressive supposedly allowed you in. Why would it allow Activists in? Russia allows no dogooders into Chechnya, China into Tibet and yet Israel allows anyone short of terrorists, murderers, and rapists. Hmmm...

 

[Grandma Death]

Garfield: First, have it your way but then that settles your question of a visit as i see it. As for "Supremacst," again, proof? Where have I expressed it?
.

Oh I agree with Garf-you are indeed a supremacist.

However neither of us have to prove anything. Thats the way it works around here-people can make claims and bollocks to backing them up, and you need to learn to deal with that.

 

[rachamim18]

Time for my annual response to he/she who cfalls his/herself "Grandma Death."

If you truly cared about the issues you want verification about, you would have done so on your own instead of riding me in every thread and even other forums for well over a year.

All you do is insult and then ask why you are not obliged. Sorry, I do not deal with the likes of you.

Want interaction, then act your age.

Want to call me a supremacist? No ned for hyperlinks to tv channels in lanmguages you would not understand anyway, or judicial papers of the same ilk, just a post would do.

Good luck until next year.

 

[Grandma Death]

If you truly cared about the issues you want verification about, you would have done so on your own instead of riding me in every thread and even other forums for well over a year.

Hey you made the claims-you promised the evidence-then you shitted it behind a made up ad hom because, simply put-you could not provide the evidence.

All you do is insult and then ask why you are not obliged.

Bullshit on top of more bullshit. Wriggle all you want-your lies are clear for the forum to see...and guess what they aren't going away.

Want to call me a supremacist? No ned for hyperlinks to tv channels in lanmguages you would not understand anyway, or judicial papers of the same ilk, just a post would do.

You're a lying supremacist apologist. The lying bit I can qualify the rest who cares? I can say what I want and I never have to provide links. For the second time supremacist-deal with it.