SWP expulsions and squabbles

[ViolentPanda]

and still you quote, still you engage. you know exactly what's coming, so why do it?

Because I don't believe in "no platform" in any form.

it's fucking this thread up (as it does any other he contributes to). you know this will happen, so i can only conclude that you're just as bad as him, if not worse.

this is pissing me off now, page after page of utterly irrelevant, boring shit.

So what? Am I supposed to swoon to the floor and repent because you and irritable are pissed off? Go have a wank.

 

[discokermit]

that's it, i'm putting the pair of you wankers on ignore. fondle each other as much as you like.

 

[TremulousTetra]

and still you quote, still you engage. you know exactly what's coming, so why do it?

it's fucking this thread up (as it does any other he contributes to). you know this will happen, so i can only conclude that you're just as bad as him, if not worse.

this is pissing me off now, page after page of utterly irrelevant, boring shit.

if people are going to make false accusations, they have to be prepared to defend them. Otherwise, they just look like sectarians singing Laa-Laa

I think what it is, I prick people's conscience when they try to claim that socialist worker aren't genuine socialists.

 

[chilango]

and still you quote, still you engage. you know exactly what's coming, so why do it?

it's fucking this thread up (as it does any other he contributes to). you know this will happen, so i can only conclude that you're just as bad as him, if not worse.

this is pissing me off now, page after page of utterly irrelevant, boring shit.

It's hardly the most crucial thread is it? "SWP expulsions and squabbles" ?

Obviously all the rape allegations and so on are pretty serious in their own right.

But the fate of the SWP? C'mon...RMP3 is simply reminding us all of how SWPies can be in case we get distracted by overly sensible discussion.

I doubt there's much more to see from the SWP/ISN splt now anyway...

 

[TremulousTetra]

As someone said earlier, defeating Russian imperialism to replace it with Pushtun imperialism.
Of course, more accurately, "defeating Russian imperialism" merely opened the door to Saudi colonialism, in terms of opening up a new frontier to which the Saudis could conveniently export their more fanatical citizens.

you miss the topic of the original post.

 

[belboid]

Because I don't believe in "no platform" in any form.

ignoring someone is in no way 'no platform'ing them

 

[TremulousTetra]

It's hardly the most crucial thread is it? "SWP expulsions and squabbles" ?

Obviously all the rape allegations and so on are pretty serious in their own right.

But the fate of the SWP? C'mon...RMP3 is simply reminding us all of how SWPies can be in case we get distracted by overly sensible discussion.

I doubt there's much more to see from the SWP/ISN splt now anyway...

you should set that to butchers earlier stressing about this thread being so important. Bloody hell, it's a chit chat room, no more.

 

[chilango]

you should set that to butchers earlier stressing about this thread being so important. Bloody hell, it's a chit chat room, no more.

Why should I? He can read what I just wrote.

 

[TremulousTetra]

I see that you still haven't worked out that just because you don't get a joke, it doesn't mean that it contains no humour.

I bet you'd have thought it was funny if Alex Callinicos had said it, though.

okay, take that you 'joke' down the comedy store, and see how you get on

 

[chilango]

In fairness threads work better (usually) when they stay reasonably "on topic". It's just in this case RMP3 does fit neatly into a discussion of how the SWP goes wrong....

 

[TremulousTetra]

Why should I? He can read what I just wrote.

yes he can.

 

[TremulousTetra]

In fairness threads work better (usually) when they stay reasonably "on topic". It's just in this case RMP3 does fit neatly into a discussion of how the SWP goes wrong....

Chilango you're going to hurt my feelings.

 

[chilango]

I note you've not had much to say on the mess the SWP is in, or the (latest) split.

 

[chilango]

Chilango you're going to hurt my feelings.

I doubt that.

 

[discokermit]

It's hardly the most crucial thread is it? "SWP expulsions and squabbles" ?

Obviously all the rape allegations and so on are pretty serious in their own right.

But the fate of the SWP? C'mon...RMP3 is simply reminding us all of how SWPies can be in case we get distracted by overly sensible discussion.

I doubt there's much more to see from the SWP/ISN splt now anyway...

rmp isn't a good example of swappies. he's a bullshitting nutcase. bb is a better example of loyalist thought.

you could say the same about all the threads on this board, should we let moronic trolls fuck them all up?

 

[TremulousTetra]

Come come comrades, this thread is essential for the class struggle.

 

[TremulousTetra]

rmp isn't a good example of swappies. he's a bullshitting nutcase. bb is a better example of loyalist thought.

you could say the same about all the threads on this board, should we let moronic trolls fuck them all up?

come come comrade, this is inconsistent sectarianism towards the SWP.

 

[chilango]

rmp isn't a good example of swappies. he's a bullshitting nutcase. bb is a better example of loyalist thought.

you could say the same about all the threads on this board, should we let moronic trolls fuck them all up?

Well I'm out of here till some point tomorrow. We'll see what the morning brings new to the thread...

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

put rmp3 on ignore you nutters

 

[andysays]

Come come comrades, this thread is essential for the class struggle.

 

[Sean Delaney]

Its always been a bit hairy, being a member of the SWP. My mates ear was bitten off by someone who is now on the central committee, I do believe (or at least he is an organiser of some description. What kind of revolting pathological cunt would you have to be to do that to someone?

The victim was an incredibly dedicated and loyal party comrade. Because he swallowed the Leninist dogma he didn't kick up a fuss. He has been on a lifetime sabbatical out of the party pretty much ever since.

If that was an organiser in the BNP there would be a big song and dance about it.

The SWP are right in once sense - horrible right wing witch-hunt going on, courtesy of Harry's Place. But they brought it on themselves with this pathological 'build the party/let any old cunt join, as-long-as-the-braindead-donut-can-prop-up-a-banner-who-gives-a-fuck?' attitude.

 

[discokermit]

Its always been a bit hairy, being a member of the SWP. My mates ear was bitten off by someone who is now on the central committee, I do believe (or at least he is an organiser of some description. What kind of revolting pathological cunt would you have to be to do that to someone?

The victim was an incredibly dedicated and loyal party comrade. Because he swallowed the Leninist dogma he didn't kick up a fuss. He has been on a lifetime sabbatical out of the party pretty much ever since.

If that was an organiser in the BNP there would be a big song and dance about it.

can you imagine the treatment he'd get if it was callinicos that he'd bit?

The SWP are right in once sense - horrible right wing witch-hunt going on, courtesy of Harry's Place. But they brought it on themselves with this pathological 'build the party/let any old cunt join, as-long-as-the-braindead-donut-can-prop-up-a-banner-who-gives-a-fuck?' attitude.

i don't for a second believe that to be the root of their problem.

 

[Sean Delaney]

i don't for a second believe that to be the root of their problem.

Can I ask, what in your opinion, is the root of the problem?

 

[belboid]

I though what was going on, was that people were pointing out that the SWP/IS tradition has proved itself to be so internally contradictory that it doesn't actually constitute a coherent and sustained tradition.

The one doesnt really follow from the other. Those 'contradictions' are simply their attempts to apply the principles of the tradition in practise. Sometimes they get it wrong and so its different next time. Sometimes they forget the tradition they stand in, and get it really wrong. But doing such things doesn't mean there isn't any kind of tradition.

 

[discokermit]

So what is the root of the problem in your opinion?

lack of democracy, top down structure leading to an out of touch leadership, substitutionism, lack of working class members, general state of the class struggle.

i'm a fan of open membership, more people to learn from.

 

[Sean Delaney]

Unsuprisingly - you could carve out a Psycho style family tree via the connections - Comrade Cannibal is friends with the Sheffield Rapist on FB.

 

[kavenism]

What do you make of this kind of letter appearing in the Socialist Worker?

"Women in struggle
As a feminist, I’ve always felt really proud when I see women at the front of struggles. The Grunwick strike was an early example of this for me. But the pride deepened when I saw, how the women workers were supported by miners, union branches and socialists—both men and women. We are indeed all in this together—fighting, organising, winning against every attack. Emma Hall, North London"

There's been a number of emotion-heavy type letters about women associated with the SWP fighting back. On one level I suppose the past few months have meant the SWP is forced to be positive about feminism in its publication, OTOH it seems pretty empty.

The letters are not necessarily untrue, but given the context their proliferation is little more than obfuscation analogous to an attempt to pull the "I'm not X-ist I've got lots of X friends" defence. Bunch of cunts. Frankly I'm getting bored of the revelations, especially as they seem to have taken a bizarre twist into 70s "sex in a box" party games and chocolate scat orgies. This, I need not.

 

[kavenism]

Looks like some Swappies are fairly into "bourgeois morality" when it suits them.

I'm not sure. This chap had some strange power over some of the women in that group. I could never understand it, he was quite obviously a vile prick. There be dragons I fear!

 

[Sean Delaney]

Frankly I'm getting bored of the revelations, especially as they seem to have taken a bizarre twist into 70s "sex in a box" party games and chocolate scat orgies. This, I need not.

I quite agree. This latest chocolate fingers 'revelation' is nothing short of a re-write of Abigail's Party for Marxists.

But there is something more fundamental emerging - the concept of 'the party' as representative of 'the elect' is bullshit that has finally been kicked into exinction.

Someone more erudite than I will ever be should write up a critique of this whole sad sorry affair at some point (needless to say, it won't be a trotskyist that writes the obit.) 2013 surely is the death of Leninism - even if it does leave the stage to the tune of a wet fart rather than to the sound of Wagner's Valkyries.

 

[kavenism]

Unsuprisingly - you could carve out a Psycho style family tree via the connections - Comrade Cannibal is friends with the Sheffield Rapist on FB.

According to his FB he's also a fan of John Coltrane Are all these fucking Smiths the same? Permanent Jazzz