SWP expulsions and squabbles

[ViolentPanda]

As it happens, i met a man who fell into a fire yesterday - he told me i was right to skip on the coal and burn half my face off.

Was he or you selling the Morning Star, though?

 

[ViolentPanda]

post of the year

Which section, "most arselicking"?

 

[chilango]

As it happens, i met a man who fell into a fire yesterday - he told me i was right to skip on the coal and burn half my face off.

I'm sure this could be re-jigged.

Now, I neither know, nor care, whether Bolshie met a Morning Star seller on the street. I'm happy to believe him. But it does beg the question, why was he selling them on the street when you can buy it in Smiths?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm sure this could be re-jigged.

Forgot all about that:

"Last week, I met a black burglar, who told me that the Jews couldn't be stopped."

 

[butchersapron]

I'm sure this could be re-jigged.

Now, I neither know, nor care, whether Bolshie met a Morning Star seller on the street. I'm happy to believe him. But it does beg the question, why was he selling them on the street when you can buy it in Smiths?

You don't sound that....happy

 

[chilango]

You don't sound that....happy

I've got a cold.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Jeezus folks spurski was quite right. 'fuck the uaf' is a shit position for anyone on the left. Criticize the uaf, replace them, do what you want but don't let your hatred of the swp leadership get you to the point where you can say it would be a good thing for any left organisation to just collapse and make our side weaker. I saw a Morning Star guy selling his paper in downtown Swindon today (quite shocked me!). If I'd walked past and said 'fuck you' he would have assumed I was a rightwinger. I have issues with his politics but I think it's good he was there not a bad thing. The anarchists wishing the uaf would just 'fuck off' need to think about where that would leave our side.

no one! No one celebrated the demise of the Russian Empire, and the subsequent demise of associated communist parties in the UK and around the world, more than the SWP. They felt vindicated in their state capitalism analysis.
But, EVEN THEY acknowledged that the demise of the Communist Party in Britain, left the workers movement weaker. That whole group of activists who could be relied upon at any moment to stand up against the fascists, the government, whole plethora of working class issues, would most likely fall into inactivity. The SWP warned of this at the time, and it came to pass.
So many people on here seem to talk talk, but not walk the walk. It is our GOOD THING when different groups, come at the same problem, from different angles. This one size fits all attitude, is counterintuitive.

 

[chilango]

So many people on here seem to talk talk, but not walk the walk. It is our GOOD THING when different groups, come at the same problem, from different angles. This one size fits all attitude, is counterintuitive.

What if, one group attempting to "come at the problem" is blocked by another group standing in the way?

 

[butchersapron]

straight through the cunts.

 

[TremulousTetra]

What if, one group attempting to "come at the problem" is blocked by another group standing in the way?

that my friend, is politics. Organise better. Find a way round the problem. If you can't compete with the nonentities on the left, how are you ever going to compete with the ruling class?

As an SWP member, the Labour Party consistently screwed us over. some of them displayed hatred worse than the people on here. still, "vote Labour with no illusions, build a socialist alternative". When you are stood on the picket line, you even link arms with the racist against the bosses.

 

[chilango]

What if, one group attempting to "come at the problem" is blocked by another group standing in the way?

...or what if one group attempting to "come at the problem" finds another group threatening to call the cops on them?

 

[chilango]

that my friend, is politics. Organise better. Find a way round the problem. If you can't compete with the nonentities on the left, how are you ever going to compete with the ruling class?

Exactly. So, quit whining when we do.

 

[TremulousTetra]

straight through the cunts.

whatever the tactical differences, I don't consider any other group of activists on the left the enemy. In fact I consider them comrades, comrade.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Exactly. So, quit whining when we do.

Whining when?

 

[chilango]

whatever the tactical differences, I don't consider any other group of activists on the left the enemy. In fact I consider them comrades, comrade.

Attempting to stop people doing stuff is not a "tactical difference".

Threatening to call the cops is not a "tactical difference".

Knowingly building up the fascists is not a "tactical difference".

It's an act of aggression.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Attempting to stop people doing stuff is not a "tactical difference".

Threatening to call the cops is not a "tactical difference".

Knowingly building up the fascists is not a "tactical difference".

It's an act of aggression.

'Saints' calling the sinners?
you still not give an example of me whining.

 

[chilango]

'Saints' calling the sinners?
you still not give an example of me whining.

Not at all.

Just showing that all the platitudes in the world won't alter the situation on the ground. We're not always on the same side.

You could make the same point using "black bloc" types kicking off on a "Peaceful demonstration".

It's not the end of the world, but let's not pretend it's merely tactical differences.

As for the whining, it's more of an impression I'm getting (and not just from you) than a quote.

 

[chilango]

It is our GOOD THING when different groups, come at the same problem, from different angles. This one size fits all attitude, is counterintuitive.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Not at all.

Just showing that all the platitudes in the world won't alter the situation on the ground. We're not always on the same side.

You could make the same point using "black bloc" types kicking off on a "Peaceful demonstration".

It's not the end of the world, but let's not pretend it's merely tactical differences.

As for the whining, it's more of an impression I'm getting (and not just from you) than a quote.

we are always on the same side, have the same grand objectives imo. Our differences are tactical, how we achieve those grand objectives imo comrade.

I don't know anybody in the SWP who considers the non-Bolshevik left more than an obstacle AT
TIMES, definitely not THE enemy. [They are not always an obstacle, sometimes we work arm in arm ]





Your impression of whining is wrong. I have said things like , "making shit up undermines your arguments against the SWP", to that person in the other thread you and I were contributing to, but that isn't whining about groups getting in our way.


(Rushed post, got to go. ) O

 

[TremulousTetra]

good point well made. my comments were in reference to the topic of the thread, and the groups involved.

PS. in the other thread it was suggested the politics of the Bolshevik party led to state capitalism .I would seriously suggest the politics of some groups in the Spanish Civil War, led to the situation pictured.

 

[butchersapron]

Amazing, what happened happened because the groups who did it, did it.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I would seriously suggest the politics of some groups in the Spanish Civil War, led to the situation pictured.

Probably wore short skirts too.

 

[chilango]

Ffs. Wish I hadn't said anything.

...anyone want to post up the latest leaks from SU and get this thread back on track?

 

[barney_pig]

Not much apart from this
http://polpotology.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I'm sure this could be re-jigged.

Now, I neither know, nor care, whether Bolshie met a Morning Star seller on the street. I'm happy to believe him. But it does beg the question, why was he selling them on the street when you can buy it in Smiths?

As I said it shocked me too. But there he was big as life. Not the first time butchers has called me a liar on this thread rather than make a political answer. The Boss thinks he has everyon'e number and has the right to pigeon hole us as he sees fit but sometimes the Emperor has no clothes.

 

[emanymton]

Ffs. Wish I hadn't said anything.

...anyone want to post up the latest leaks from SU and get this thread back on track?

There is this.

 

[manny-p]

Apparently the "students, we don't need no stinking students" motion put forward by a couple of freelancing CC faction enthusiasts and passed by Tottenham Branch has now been withdrawn.

Have they baled out?

 

[belboid]

Have they baled out?

I Hale your punning

 

[bolshiebhoy]

There is this.

Whatever else you can say this character knows a lot about the party and how it works.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

So who is "Comrade Sigma", the pseudonymous writer of this lament?

http://sovietgoonboy.wordpress.com/...-and-the-guillotine-our-tendency-after-cliff/