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Supporting teams from repressive regimes

The39thStep

Urban critical thinker
In my opinion on one hand its very difficult to seperate football from politics and on the other its very easy to do so whilst watching a game for 90 minutes . One one hand we have a World Cup hosted by a nationalist country with a high level of corruption ,poor record on LGBT rights, racism, a dubious foreign policy and where there is little in the way of political opposition . The host nations first game was against Saudi Arabia a despicable conservative regime that has financed and promoted Islamic extremism , bans trade unions and has an appalling human rights record. A plague on both houses would have been the response of many until a relatively unfancied Russia scored five and exceeded expectaions football wise.T Add to that the experience of most attending the World Cup has not been the anti LGBT , racist, hooligan violence hell that was predicted ( Iranian women can attend football matches there) and perhaps Russia isnt that bad after all?

Theres a grim list of teams in Russia with terrible human rights , high levels of corruption and and disgusting inequalities .However they are pretty much the underdogs against the big teams and unless you have a bet on the big teams or have them in the sweepstake its natural ( isn't it?) to want an upset.Or is there a line that can be drawn about teams who are not only from repressive regimes but whose style of play is a crime against football? Or countries like Egypt who despite trying citizens in miltary courts, persecuting human rights defenders and subjecting them to travel bans, repressing trade unions and attacking gays in fact pretty much working to eradicate independent civil society in the country are ok because they have Mo Salah?

Dont get me wrong I can remember cheering Iran on in one World Cup against the USA just on the grounds that it was against the USA but I can also remember cheering the USA on in another World Cup because Landon Donovan was playing for them.

I dont know what the answer is , perhaps there isnt one?
 
It's a good question. But I'm not sure the Iranian striker or back 4 have much to do with their country's human rights record.

Cheer the player not the country or something I guess?
 
I think its probably best to separate sport from politics as much as possible, for sanity purposes if nothing else.
That might be a nice way to continue to enjoy the football, but not sure it's that simple.

Football, and sport in general, is used as a political tool, just like any other populist activity. You think Putin isn't going to be banking the goodwill of hosting a World Cup and the relative success of the team?

And look at South Africa in the rugby? In 1995 they hosted and won the World Cup, and Mandela clearly capitalised on that.

We might want to keep politics out of sport, but it's there, whether we like it or not. Kind of like Sergio Ramos.

In very general terms, I tend to think you reach out to nations and governments by including them, bringing them to the table and using that to shine a spotlight on policies and get them to change. However, I can completely understand the argument that doing so legitimises them on a national stage.
 
I'm fairly arbitrary about a lot of this stuff. I was happy to cheer on Iran last night, but I couldn't quite bring myself to back Saudi Arabia. I'm intensely relaxed about the fact that Russia is the host.

The Saudis are the only team I actually object to being there. They do not allow women to play football in SA ( the only country in the comp where that is the case), and imo they should be kicked out of men's football until that changes.
 
Yugoslavia was booted out of the Euros in 92 for dodgy politics and UN sanctions.

Obviously no one in the WC finals has any kind of record of sanctions or bother at all . Obviously
 
BYW, the Yugo team on 92 was a potential winner, a real heavyweight that could have steamed to the championship. Shame it never got the chance
 
Natural progression...

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The trouble with this is that it takes football away from people (yunno, theoretically. I'm not wildly overestimating the impact of U75 :D) and places it in the same sphere as governments. Working class people who have naff all to do with the establishment of their country. I was working with a lovely family from Saudi Arabia last week, who live here in sad circumstances and aren't any of the awful things we might rightly level at the Saudi state. They were delighted to be able to watch and support 11 lads from their home country in the world cup. I'd have loved for them to get a win. That's the end of it for me.

Who I do and don't support in international tournaments has no discernible logic to it tbf.

Also, I can't bear the bloody hand wringing. It's football fgs.

Except for when USA qualify. That's different.
 
given that most regimes have politicians involved, and politicians are a generally a deeply foul aspect of humanity, its all about designing an objective peer checked axis of national politician cuntitude & marking each regime on it. then we can make a decision based on FACT
 
I separate them entirely.

I'm much more likely to support a team who try hard from a dodge regime than say some Argentinian or Italian team whose players roll around on the floor like cry babies.
 
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