Stephen Lawrence murder trial begins at Old Bailey

[LLETSA]

On Radio 5 they were saying that one of their crews went into a local pub to ask people about the verdict and were told by the locals that it wasn't the sort of pub they should be asking questions about it in.

Can anybody here really be shocked by this and similar?

 

[London_Calling]

Who's shocked.

 

[TopCat]

Who? Google tells me nothing about what you are alluding to here.

Terry May was a young lad who I knew in Thornton Heath who was stabbed to death in 1981 by a mob of black kids for no reason whatsoever. He had a disability so could not run. The main knife wielding killer went to my school (fuck you Gardiner).

The police did a shit job by trying to fit up the culprits and they all got acquitted at the Old Bailey as a result. If the plod had left their racism out of it convictions would have followed. I had to endure school with the main killer for another year and put up with the rest swaggering around the area for years.

 

[trevhagl]

There's not going to be a guilty on either of them on this. The evidence is just not there.

hehe heh heh heh heh heh
thought you were always RIGHT!!!???????

 

[BlackArab]

Who? Google tells me nothing about what you are alluding to here.

nor me

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Terry May was a young lad who I knew in Thornton Heath who was stabbed to death in 1981 by a mob of black kids for no reason whatsoever. He had a disability so could not run. The main knife wielding killer went to my school (fuck you Gardiner).

The police did a shit job by trying to fit up the culprits and they all got acquitted at the Old Bailey as a result. If the plod had left their racism out of it convictions would have followed. I had to endure school with the main killer for another year and put up with the rest swaggering around the area for years.

 

[peterkro]

Terry May was a young lad who I knew in Thornton Heath who was stabbed to death in 1981 by a mob of black kids for no reason whatsoever. He had a disability so could not run. The main knife wielding killer went to my school (fuck you Gardiner).

The police did a shit job by trying to fit up the culprits and they all got acquitted at the Old Bailey as a result. If the plod had left their racism out of it convictions would have followed. I had to endure school with the main killer for another year and put up with the rest swaggering around the area for years.

Daily Mail, 27 Feb. 1982. At this time the press were also covering the Terry
May trial. Seven black youths were accused of murdering a crippled white
youth, Terry May, during what the Daily Mail described as 'a revenge hunt for
skinheads who had attacked black youths at Thornton Heath, South London'.
The newspapers graphically described witnesses' accounts of black youths
'swarming' over the dead boy's body. Comparison between this coverage and
the coverage given to attacks by white youths on black people is illuminating.

From Socialistregister.com (pdf) is the only reference I can find for the case,note I'm not commenting I know very little about the case.

 

[Spymaster]

.... the vilification of an entire section of the areas population that occured was totally out of order.

Which sections?

 

[TopCat]

Daily Mail, 27 Feb. 1982. At this time the press were also covering the Terry
May trial. Seven black youths were accused of murdering a crippled white
youth, Terry May, during what the Daily Mail described as 'a revenge hunt for
skinheads who had attacked black youths at Thornton Heath, South London'.
The newspapers graphically described witnesses' accounts of black youths
'swarming' over the dead boy's body. Comparison between this coverage and
the coverage given to attacks by white youths on black people is illuminating.

From Socialistregister.com (pdf) is the only reference I can find for the case,note I'm not commenting I know very little about the case.

Hardly anyone remembers him. Mainly a bunch of shit stirring fascists who helped poison and polarise the area in the first place.

 

[butchersapron]

hehe heh heh heh heh heh
thought you were always RIGHT!!!???????

That's the important bit here trev. Well done.

 

[LLETSA]

Who's shocked.

I was just referring to remarks about 'confident racists' and the like, as if surprised. The country's full of confident racists.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I was just referring to remarks about 'confident racists' and the like, as if surprised. The country's full of confident racists.

A typical liberal, do you see racists everywhere?

 

[LLETSA]

A typical liberal, do you see racists everywhere?

No, but I hear casual racist sentiment expressed almost every day. Don't you?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

No, but I hear casual racist sentiment expressed almost every day. Don't you?

Not every day but quite often, I was only joking I agree with you - anyone who thought any of the comments on that video were shocking has obviously lived a very sheltered life.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Bloody Hell. Paul Dacre's pronouncement on the case has made me want to vomit. Apparently it's all down to him

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Still - good verdict though

 

[paolo]

As said earlier, Dobson, in mitigation has intimated that he was there, but wasn't the prime mover

Certainly looks possible that Dobson will go down that route. If he solely says it was Norris, I can't imagine that actually helping him at all - still joint enterprise and he wouldn't be giving anything new. So the only hope for bargaining is to bring a new name, be prepared to give evidence, and for it to be good enough evidence for a reasonable chance of a further conviction.

[my speculation: I don't actually know how these work]

Gonna be an interesting to see if/how this develops.

 

[paolo]

Bloody Hell. Paul Dacre's pronouncement on the case has made me want to vomit. Apparently it's all down to him

Was gonna say earlier the Mail was inevitably going to go to town on having run *that* headline.

 

[The39thStep]

Scotland Yard have just said the case isn't closed and they are hoping the convictions will bring forward further evidence. So sounds as though they're still going to try and get them too.

I think you are right.However I am a bit confused about posters ( not you) supporting the Police in this case whilst on the other thread about hating the Police expressing completely different views.

 

[malatesta32]

lawrence suspects and emma west on 1 day! shirtfront's gonna be smoking hot today!

 

[ViolentPanda]

some may say deliberate?

I wouldn't rule it out. Norris's dad had a lot of "acquaintances" among the coppers on the early investigations.

 

[ddraig]

On Radio 5 they were saying that one of their crews went into a local pub to ask people about the verdict and were told by the locals that it wasn't the sort of pub they should be asking questions about it in.

meaning most of the pubs round there,
weird oasis of hate it was when i lived and worked around there
and they seem proud of their saaarf lundon/kent border asshole attitude

 

[ViolentPanda]

Scotland Yard have just said the case isn't closed and they are hoping the convictions will bring forward further evidence. So sounds as though they're still going to try and get them too.

This might be why Norris and Dobson were tried first - get Norris in chokey, and his family's "associates" worrying about geting him out, and not looking out for Knight or the Acourt brothers.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wonder if they'll open up about the help they're alleged to have received from certain quarters?

Be lovely if a few more of those shitcunts from our local "regional serious crime squad" ended up doing time, whether under Rule 43 or not.

 

[Proper Tidy]

That's the second time somebody has mentioned Emma west, as if there is any equivalence.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is it possible that Dobson and/or Norris, having stayed quiet till now in the hope/expectation of a 'not guilty' verdict, could now start squeaking about their associates in the hope of gaining leniency?

We can omly hope.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And the teef. Don't forget the teef he apparently lost.

Edit: Let's hope that the odious Rod Liddle now receives the measure of public opprobrium which is his due. The cunt.

He could always stand as Norris's surrogate and take the kickings for him.

 

[Spymaster]

meaning most of the pubs round there,
weird oasis of hate it was when i lived and worked around there
and they seem proud of their saaarf lundon/kent border asshole attitude

Absolutely. Eltham's a properly nasty shit hole which is why I was after Stoat Boy to explain this:

the vilification of an entire section of the areas population that occured was totally out of order.

Most folk who've spent any time in the area, particularly if they're black, will have no problem whatsoever with vilifying this particular section of society.

It's a nasty, scary place.

 

[malatesta32]

That's the second time somebody has mentioned Emma west, as if there is any equivalence.

its to do with the seige mentality so beloved of fascist websites/organisations. they can inflate the victom balloons!

 

[malatesta32]

west and lawrence top 2 topics on both VNN and stormfront. it is they who equate them as part of some daft conspiracy.