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So... Media? (Enlighten a born again novice)

Perry Solstice

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Hello.

As someone who hasn't been involved in any kind of activism for over a decade, and who is geographically removed from those he used to run with, it's come as a bit of a disappointment to see not only that Indymedia is - as far as I can gather - totally fucked, and that Schnews is wrapping up. Indymedia was absolutely indispensable last time I looked (which was like, 2002!?)

Is it because they've been entirely replaced by Twitter and Facebook?
Is it possible to be a well-informed activist in the disunited kingdom without these two vacuum-like institutions? I'm really trying to avoid being on there...

Or have I missed something?
 
I guess the thinking goes why pay for hosting when you can get a Facebook page for free. Plus Facebook provides a ready-assembled audience and makes it easy for them to share stuff. If I were to start over on Facebook, I'd just create an empty profile and follow the various actions, demos, events and groups that interest me. I pretty much never interact with any of my 'friends' on there. There's no obligation to upload all your personal info.....they just rely on the fact that the majority will. But I guess if you feel that signing up is condoning their nefarious activities then I'm not sure where else to recommend.
 
Also blogs and wordpress especially gave people wider and more functional self publishing options than indymedia.
 
It seems the best way to garner support for your political cause these days is to use a facebook page and post pictures of cats and dogs, tricking unsuspecting people into liking your page :(
 
Yeah, I can totally understand that something is free, but Facebook is so fucked up from top to bottom I'm honestly pretty shocked that this is the main area for organising on the net. Actually, never mind organising; I'll assume anyone actually organising anything worth its salt has more sense, but to allow Facebook to be the main source of information seems really disappointing to me. Twitter I'm not so clear on as I've never used it really, but surely this is just as big a corporate fucknut?
 
yes but its the only game in town and every bastards on it- Useful for updates etc but at 140 characters you'd need something more substantial to link to- wordpress blog etc
 
I guess that makes what BigTom said about blogs make sense, as I was wondering how mass blogging could have replaced a unified information site connected to an international group of those sites. I appear to have become some sort of old, dithering grandad. Perhaps Indymedia wasn't as great as I thought, as if it wasn't broke, surely it wouldn't have been fixed, right?
 
I think people actually meeting and talking about stuff goes a long way too... Does that still happen?:(
 
Because people don't do enough of the organising on real life, you get situations where people build their local anti-fascist page and get hundreds, even thoysands of likes but cannot put a team on the streets.
 
I guess that makes what BigTom said about blogs make sense, as I was wondering how mass blogging could have replaced a unified information site connected to an international group of those sites. I appear to have become some sort of old, dithering grandad. Perhaps Indymedia wasn't as great as I thought, as if it wasn't broke, surely it wouldn't have been fixed, right?

Indymedia doesn't, probably never, had the reach or functionality of FB/Twitter + Blog. When it started (or at least when I first found it, I want to say around 99?) it was more or less the only place that you could self-publish without having techie knowledge and it was connected deeply with the anti-globalisation movement which gave you the audience. Now the audience is elsewhere and the younger activists have grown up using fb/tw and it's their natural social home on the internet. Old fuddy duddy's like us still use forums and the like because that's what we first started using to socialise and organise using the internet.

Indymedia has had it's time imo, we'll never have the privacy we used to, if we ever did, but that's not just because of fb, it's because of security services generally. It was great though, a real step forward in it's time. Needed more $$$ than it would ever be able to have to keep up I guess. Possibly some people on here are involved, I know there was a big schism a couple of years back as a couple of local people I vaguely know are/were involved in the technical side of indymedia uk, but I can't remember any details.

Twitter is amazing for live events, it really comes into it's own as a platform for reporting events as they happen, short commentary like snippet + photo + hashtag. Then readers use the hashtag to find others tweeting from an event, and that way you get to see lots of different perspectives of what is happening, as it's happening, with far less filtering than if you are reading about it the next day in the newspaper. It doesn't ask you for any personal information (except maybe location) and you are allowed to use pseudonyms, they were also not included in the PRISM NSA spying project so I think they are better than fb in terms of privacy. They are still selling you for advertising but I guess they feel they can get the metrics they need from who you follow and what you tweet about without wanting to find out your whole life story. It's not private though, not at all, and it's a system that is intended to be used to talk to people you don't know (fb is/was intended for you to talk to people you already know), so it's pretty different to fb and you can only stop people seeing what you are saying by blocking them or having a private account. Lots of people seem surprised when someone they don't know finds their tweet and starts talking to them.
 
Thanks for that, that's a really good response. I just listened last night to a round table interview of the London Indymedia collective, broadcast on Resonance Fm around the time of them closing down the site. Some excellent points raised, including the fact that Indymedia had archiving capabilities; you look for write-ups of events on Facebook only weeks after they've happened, and they're buried. The new social media is very much of the immediate.
 
Interesting article regarding Ello: http://wire.novaramedia.com/2014/10/7-reasons-we-shouldnt-let-bello-become-the-next-facebook/

I guess this thread is in danger of becoming my own blog regarding social networking and activism, so I'm happy to discontinue here, though I have a proposal for a good use for this thread. If you're steadfastly disgusted with the big guns to the point of the negatives outweighing the positives and prefer to be part of what I'm sure is a movement to boycott them, the other options are going to prey on your mind in a big way, because communication is important. It's hard to know whether there is much of a movement to boycott Facebook and Twitter though, because the people who are boycotting them aren't posting about it on Facebook or Twitter.

As the article above states: "Alternative social networks that don’t rely on a single company maintaining a website exist already and have been developed for years, including Diaspora, Friendica and Gnu Social. They have features similar to Facebook or Twitter, they’re much more developed than Ello, they work in a decentralized manner and users connected to different servers can communicate with one-another."

I don't know about Friendica or Gnu Social, but I have had a look at Diaspora before. The decentralision aspect is great. I'm going to have a good look into the other two mentioned when I get chance. If anyone else has used any of these, or wants to look into them and report back here, maybe that would be good.

If a few good people started using something else, exploring the benefits of the different alternatives, and getting the word out, something will change.
 
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