Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Like "jobseeker"?
skiving little fucker
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poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Or to make the "junior filing clark" feel small and inferior.firky said:
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
poster342002 said:
So you don't think that people need to be managed at all?
(not a boss btw)
poster342002 said:
So a bus driver who earns money from driving buses is ok, but a manager who organises who drives which bus when is the spawn of satan? How does the bus driver earn his wages if no-one manages? If no-one should do it because managing is inherently evil, how does saintly driver feed his family without murderous evil manager?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
All I can say is that if the bus driver stops work during a bus strike, no bus will run. The same cannot be said of when the manager takes a day off.Yelkcub said:
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Well, it might be said that the system will grind to a halt if managers don't carry out a number of useful functions.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
poster342002 said:
At the start of the 90s cutbacks meant making middle managers redundant and then giving their responsibility (i.e. additional hours, extra work, 'pastoral' responsibilities, same pay) to their number 2s.
I don't see that as applying for a job? I see that as people being told to be grateful they still have a job..
The same ethos applies in part now, people are managers by default.. because they've shown reliability and are then asked to manage people who aren't..
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
So the bus drivers will just orgainise themselves?. Are you sure you're living in the real world?poster342002 said:
poster342002 said:
But if next weeks shift allocation hasn't been done, taking account of pre-authorised annual leave and allowing for normal levels of sickness etc and the manager isn't there, how will the buses run? All the bus drivers will be redundant.
I'm not saying there aren't managers who are bullies and or incompetent, just like there are workers who are lazy and/or incompetent but your black and white view of the world is ridiculous.
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
The only responsibility I've ever had has been imposed upon me - I've never applied for any kind of manager/leader role in my life. It was always made very clear that if I wanted to earn more I had to take on more responsibility over time. Personally, I'd rather have earned more without having to be responsible for anything - but that's not the way things work in the real world.paulhackett66 said:
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yeah, alright then - I stand corrected. Managers are the new uber-fucking vanguard of the proletariat.
Ye gods ...
Ye gods ...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Now it's the other way round - most workplaces are scrapping the worker grades and just employing more and more managers. It ensures the workers are marginalised, powerless and isolated if the management-worker ratio is turned on it's head (at one time you had a pyramid structure in most places. Now it's a sort of rhomboid shape).paulhackett66 said:
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
erm youkinda do actually that's the whole bag with capitalism, either you do it or someone else does.poster342002 said:
now one could make the arguemnt that if more like minded people joined the corperate ranks then you might have an effect in changing the very nature of the system from the inside certainly it's not possible to to change it from outside wittering on about nonsensical bollicks idealism which isn't even workable. period....
poster342002 said:
and you can confidently say what that will be with suifficent depth and knowledge for each and every person in order to say that will never be the case that being an manager is avoidable... no one has explained this whole capitalist system concept to you have they .... unavoidable my arse...
people exist within the system at present to consume, it mighten be right or the way humans are supposed to be but it's the way it is who are you to remark with disdaine this person is unworthy in my eyes due to these arbiatary unworkable factors i have placed on the sitation...
poster342002 said:
you didn't apply to be a whip holder you were given the role. and greatful you were for it as it expemted you from back breaking work ... but under your ideal everyone has to dot he shittest jobs imaginable and commit to a life of drugery so they aren't tarnished byt the title of boss and therefore evil satanic overlord....
I cannot beleive in this day and age that we still produce such twaddle and attempt to portray it as informed comment about our society...
catinthehat
Failed VK = Replicant
Most of them are faux managers though - given the title and a tid of power/responsibility - in terms of their relationship to the means of production they know not if they are brother, sister, grandma or second cousin three times removed. Which essentially is what is meant to happen.
my temp at the moment is the best I've ever had, does the job well infact, the only thing letting him down is these excuses he keeps making, he is quite young, so one would expect this to happen. the fact that I'm pissed off with it is because we have mountains of work to get through and I wouldn't be taking time off if I was well. do you think that coming in at 12pm is acceptable for the excuse of 'I lost my oystercard'? I don't think so. He wasn't in again today, something about coughing up blood, and I expect that he won't be in tomorrow, however I will be going to work tomorrow even though I'm still bunged up and have a bad cough because I can't really afford to as theres so much work I have to do. if that makes me a 'bad' person then so be it.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Donna Ferentes said:
I see you have met the new MD at our place
Citizen66 said:Well that wasn't a very long ban was it
nah, didnt really notice tbh
been watching daytime telly and making hair extensions, got banned for fuck all really, should complain about it but I can't be fucked, made no difference to me 
tribal_princess said:nah, didnt really notice tbh
And to have been enlightened that the Jeremy Kyle show makes this place look like an episode of Bambi must have shaken you to your core!
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Doesn't stop them getting on a twisted little power-trip and creating untold misery for the person working for them, though.catinthehat said:
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
that's every single manager without exception is it tell me why haven't you written a book on the travels you have whilst you went around and studied each and every human who is currently alive and in management....poster342002 said:
tell me do you also have these little prejudical sterotypes about homosexuals where they all wear pink call each other sweetie and love burt bacerach?
or those quaint little pikinini's and their water melon eatting ways, and how their sad brown eyes contain the sprit of jazz and real soul...
you fucking cardboard cut out wadical...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
^^^^^^^^^Strawman post of the year.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
where's the straw man love i haev not set up a premise to knock it down but taken your words your post literally and extrapolated the level of prejudicacial sterotyping bullshit to other context to give you and insight into why what your saying is not only wrong but also the worst type of bigotted bollocks the no one better than i bollocks...poster342002 said:
I'm a firm beleiver in people need a stick, if they didn't the wouldn't accept the stick... you cannot concive of this and yet we are living with in the society where you do just that daily... pay a man for your net access abide by his rules. pay a man for the computor or use of it then abide by his rules use the system of barter which we have accepted you abide by his rules.
you think your 'solutions' are shcokingly radical and better and that becuase you can concieve of them then surely they must be of some cailber yet you still rely on the tools of the oppressive system to express yourself and attempt to communicate with others.
In what way by doing this are you
A) not a total hypocrte
B) proving the system fails by using it's tools.
see you cannot be consistant even with in your own argument.
you claim that exploitation occurs and only when one person a manager of any kind is in effect removed from the process of labour and profits from the labours of others, yet you choose to use a pc in order to do it where the silicon has been taken from one of the poorest countries in the world paid for not at fair trade prices but at what the dominant system tells them they will pay where the workers are exploited and worked to near death in dangerous conditions for pityful pay.
And the you dare to come on to an internet site the last refuge of the petty bourgious and belittle others in order to pour some slav on to you consious and proclaim that you will have no truck with these systems of oppression.
you fucking hypocrtical nonce.
you bourgious western liberal bleeding heart twat.
one thinks you need to put into perspective your own sanctimony and hypocrasy before commenting further on others... I take it back you aren't a 6th form radical, even they have the intergrity to have some humiltiy in what they comment on and the self awareness to know when they are straying on to dangerous ground.
Tell me mr wadical when are you goign to set up a workers collective from envriomentally safe and sensieble silicon production when are workers in the mines going be liberated by your reasoned argument as break your backs so you can pontificate about the disaster others are visitng whilst spinning the whole argument away from your own personal responsiblity.
Welcome to the Real world.
don't enjoy your stay....
sucker...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
would charge you but worries i'd be charged with exploting the masses of workign class editors across the world by doing so and thus making surplus profits from others endevours...editor said:
jesus fuck i hate fundamentalist Swappie bastards...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
If you've read ANY of my posts elsewhere, you'd know I certainly was no swappie-supporter ...GarfieldLeChat said:
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
that's it... that's your entire response... folded after one post sorry peoples the deck chairs were for nought... poster youneed to change you tag line to caving hypocrite now....poster342002 said:
