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poster342002 said:
And herein lies the problem: management almost always acts on an automatic presumption that the complainant(s) "must" be an underperforming whinger(s). Even after the manager has sacked the umpdred-and-umpty-umpth "useless" member of staff.
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So is that what happened to you then?
 
yes, I have suffered victimisation at work in the past and so have many people I know in different workplaces. It's a phenomenon that's rife.
 
I see. Were you fired, held back or simply stymied for reasons that were unfathomable to you?
 
gentel mens of the jury i find the defendant guilty as charged... jailour take him from this place and to a places where no man can return.
 
poster342002 said:
Where on earth have you worked where managers are accountable to those underneath their boot? Have you worked ANYWHERE where they're not just automatically backed to the hilt by the chain of command whenever they'rein dispute with a subordinate?
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Public sector off and on and the private sector for 2 decades. I've never known a manager to not be held to account over their actions-your experience is totally alien to me.
 
kabbes said:
This is, of course, entirely true and I have oversimplified enormously.

However, poster's blanket claim that all management will come into step behind "one of their own", regardless of that manager's own performance, feedback, history or anything is preposterous.
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I would certainly say that that is usually what happens by default, unless there are extenuating circumstances. Usually there is and has been personal contact between A and B for a while and not with you; people tend to trust other people that they know over other people that they don't.

Also, as a non-manager, you are lower in the company social hierarchy, and it's daft to pretend that there is no irrational hierarchical instinct within companies, particularly where you also combine social differences between those who occupy different roles. (It would be nice if "flat" management structures actually changed that but IME they don't; what you end up with is a really vague, shifting, schoolyard sort of hierarchy, where there are certain people who are in and certain who are out.)

There are degrees of this in different companies and ways around it and so on, but I think it is fair to characterise management response to a criticism by a subordinate of a superior as generally supporting "their own".
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
gentel mens of the jury i find the defendant guilty as charged... jailour take him from this place and to a places where no man can return.
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Just like your average managemant-run workplace kangaroo court (sorry - "full and thoroughgoing HR appeal process":rolleyes: ), then?
 
Grandma Death said:
Public sector off and on and the private sector for 2 decades. I've never known a manager to not be held to account over their actions-your experience is totally alien to me.
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I bet it does sound toally alien to you - as the workplaces you've been in have clearly been on some other planet.

Christ, I wouldn't want you as my union rep what with the amount of faith you place in the corporate management structure ...:rolleyes:
 
poster342002 said:
I bet it does sound toally alien to you - as the workplaces you've been in have clearly been on some other planet.
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Er, no, similar experience to me, & my bus only takes me into central bristol, nowhere more exotic or extra-terrestrial ... :rolleyes:
 
poster342002 said:
I bet it does sound toally alien to you - as the workplaces you've been in have clearly been on some other planet.
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yet again demonstrating how woefully out of contact your wadical politics and you won snese of propotion is with reality... well done...

poster342002 said:
Christ, I wouldn't want you as my union rep what with the amount of faith you place in the corporate management structure ...:rolleyes:
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Yes it's all about sides when being a union rep nothing more...

how can ou be a fuckign pinko and not have the first clue about the subject matter you are chatting on and on about... Real left wing, propper, indeed clueless fop more like...
 
poster342002 said:
I bet it does sound toally alien to you - as the workplaces you've been in have clearly been on some other planet.
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Right so obviously you are right then. :rolleyes:


Christ, I wouldn't want you as my union rep what with the amount of faith you place in the corporate management structure ...:rolleyes:
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Please shut up. You are making my ears bleed.
 
Donna Ferentes said:
I have. Many times. Not every time, but many times.
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Ive seen managers sacked probably IIRC as many times as employees. I think riks experiences are tainting his outlook on life to be fair. Now he's been treated like shit it means we are all obviously wrong and we have no idea.
 
poster342002 said:
On this board I'm considered a raving commie, on P&P I'm thought of as a reactionary rightwing arsehole ... :rolleyes:
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So as not to put words in others mouths, on this board I consider you a pointless no-mark. There are plenty of posters on here who I disagree with, but I can respect their position because it has a rationale and they have the ability to articulate it clearly. I wouldn't insult sixth-formers by suggesting your arguments are anywhere near the level even the dumbest of them might offer.
 
poster342002 said:
That's me told, then. :rolleyes:
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Im glad we are singing from the same hymn sheet now. I look forward to the silence in this thread instead of your tedious revolutionary knee jerk politics-thanks in advance.
 
Donna Ferentes said:
:rolleyes:
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look love if you have nothing to say then please continue to say precisely that.

stop with your previously got you banned for fuckign about with it when you were called the J word, you using you real name here and on your blog yet you get all shitty about people using, dispite the fact is all over the internet. So rational discourse with you sweetie and indeed informed comment is in light of those circumstances utterly preposturious...

You are not a MOD, if you find something worth reporting then please go ahead what no one and i mean no one on these boards needs is a tiedious pedant with a panchance for dismissing vaild points with their own tiedious nonsense... we have one of those already whose universally hated for it called lock and light we hardly need you little rural town libraian act into the bag too...


do shut the fuck up there's a good child...
 
poster342002 said:
On this board I'm considered a raving commie, on P&P I'm thought of as a reactionary rightwing arsehole ... :rolleyes:
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could it be that actually you have an infantile approach to all forms of poltics thus marking out out to others as being little more than comedy vaule...

certianly the consensious seems to be dull troll with wadical (i'm goign to use it even more now i know how much it's upsets donna) pretentions...

how wery wadcial....
 
poster342002 said:
Or we could follow your example of taking up huge lengthy posts to say exactly that.
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prosicution rests for a second time m'lud ti woudl appear the defendant is leaping into the gallows...
 
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