I still don't see how this helps Palestine at all. It just seems like feel good mutual backslappy stuff and pretty pointlessly disruptive to others. There'll be part time students there who can't get in for their courses and don't have the option of just catching up with the lecturer when they can cos they are run ragged. Why not occupy a government building instead? Too difficult?
Sheffield university occupied for gaza
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
have you not read the blog? Students ARE being allowed in !
If 5 students frm Gaza can get a place to study (somethng which hey are effectively banned from doing in the occupied territories) then they will have gained something
Not sure about the "Waive all fees", but IIRC, scholarships for students from Gaza have been won by similar occupations, hardly a non-starter. Demanding that universities issue statements on this or that is silly and pointless though.
There is an element of that. In any negotiation, both sides always start by demanding more than they expect to get. Common sense, really.Maybe the idea is to be 'bargained down' and to make some gains, I dunno.
Good to see that this:
Ended up being included (though why just students?), since it was quite controversial during the planning stages.
Sorry, no, what blog? You're saying that students can still get in for their lectures which are still being held? Not much of an occupation that. That's even worse!
Also, those 5 students - you know they can just apply like other foreign students, right? Absolutely no need for this whatsoever - if this is all it is really about then they are effectively holding the university to ransom for some students who might actually want to win a place on merit rather than as a result of intimidation and disruption.
What the fuck are you on about, you headcase?
The blog linked to in the OP, which you obviously read, since you're posting on this thread. I mean, only a complete bellend would start posting shouty denounciations of a political protest without taking the time to read a short text posted right at the start of the thread that explains what is happening and why.
http://sheffoccupied.blogspot.com/
What the fuck are you on about, you headcase?
It's not intimidating the authorities to say "we will forcibly take over your buildings to make our point"?
Who has used force? Certainly they're trying to inconvenience the authorities, but "intimidation" is a bit of a stretch. Have you deigned to read the OP yet, by the way?
Main Entry: in·tim·i·date
Pronunciation: \in-ˈti-mə-ˌdāt\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): in·tim·i·dat·ed; in·tim·i·dat·ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin intimidatus, past participle of intimidare, from Latin in- + timidus timid
Date: 1646
: to make timid or fearful : frighten ; especially : to compel or deter by or as if by threats <tried to intimidate a witness>
— in·tim·i·dat·ing·ly \-ˌdā-tiŋ-lē\ adverb
— in·tim·i·da·tion \-ˌti-mə-ˈdā-shən\ noun
— in·tim·i·da·tor \-ˈti-mə-ˌdā-tər\ noun
There's no mention of having attempted discussion or negotiation at all, just that they occupied the buildings. A lot of Pro-Palestinian stuff is tinged with anti-semitism (take your best shot) and I can totally understand why a university might not want to be making outspoken comments or shows of support. I think this occupation is stupid and self-serving tbh.
No threats have been made.
They've drawn up a list of demands and asked that the university meet with them to negotiate, what further efforts could they possibly have made in terms of discussion or negotiation?
They are saying they will continue to occupy until their "demands" are met. Sure sounds like a threat to me.
Also "demands" and discussion don't make easy bedfellows do they - they occupied first, demanded later. That's no kind of reasonable negotiation or discussion I recognise, it just sounds like a bunch of fucking idiots trying to make themselves feel like they are doing something worthwhile without ever having to go anywhere scary.
Also "demands" and discussion don't make easy bedfellows do they - they occupied first, demanded later. That's no kind of reasonable negotiation or discussion I recognise, it just sounds like a bunch of fucking idiots trying to make themselves feel like they are doing something worthwhile without ever having to go anywhere scary.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you really don't know very much about the situaton in Gaza do you? no, thety can't simply apply like other foreign students. Who's going to pay their fee's? The cashless Palestinian homeland? Israel??!!!
Had they demanded first and then occupied, that would be a threat. If you're not going to take the time to master basic English, let alone brush up on the background to this occupation, you might be best off finding another thread to post on.
The uni's best bet is to turn off the heating and ignore the silly fuckers.
The CCTV footage will identify the students involved so they may be tossed out of uni at a later date for disrupting the uni and the study of other students who actually want to get on with learning something.
I fully support the people of Gaza (excluding Hamas) but have no time for idiots like these that will do no good at all but will give negative publicity for a worthwhile cause.
Silly cunts.
The CCTV footage will identify the students involved so they may be tossed out of uni at a later date for disrupting the uni and the study of other students who actually want to get on with learning something.
I fully support the people of Gaza (excluding Hamas) but have no time for idiots like these that will do no good at all but will give negative publicity for a worthwhile cause.
Silly cunts.
Yeah, but you can prove anything with facts, can't you?
Given that the occupiers have not prevented anybody from getting in or out of the building, and have gone out of their way to make sure that lectures and seminars can continue, whose study have they disrupted?
This, pretty much.
If you see this as the best way of going about things, then you are a total fucking idiot. These sorts of events don't actually garner any public sympathy to you or your cause because most people just roll their eyes and go "fucking students!"
If I was one of the 5 students, I would not want an entire university taken over and disrupted on my behalf at all. We don't know their names or personal circumstances so it's pure speculation for us to say that we do or don't. So, in other words - no facts here.
If they are in there they must be causing some disruption.
Perhaps in being there they are missing their own lectures.
No matter how you cut it it's not their place to do these things.
If they disagree with the way a faculty is run they can vote with their feet.
From the blog:
"Fast times at Sheffield Uni
Our building's been locked down so no-one new can come in. "
Mind you, you can prove anything with spacks, can't you?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
oh dont pretend to try and speak on behalf students on bleeding gaza! I doubt very much you can begin to imagine what there life is like.
Or at least if you're going to, don't fib about it - 'an entire university taken over and disrupted' - you've just accepted that that isn't true, and yet seconds later you claim it is.
jolly poor show
The only true thing you've said
Soooooooooo......it's NOT cool for me to try and speak on behalf of the people of Gaza (not what I was doing, but we'll run with it) but it's SUPER DUPER cool for the students of Sheffield Uni, all of whom have been there?
Also, where have I accepted the uni hasn't been taken over and disrupted? I posted a quote from the occupation blog that said nobody could come into or leave the buildings! 's pretty disruptive for a public institution I would say.
Also, where have I accepted the uni hasn't been taken over and disrupted? I posted a quote from the occupation blog that said nobody could come into or leave the buildings! 's pretty disruptive for a public institution I would say.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Shut down by the university authorities - not the students.
I like the way you didn't post up the paragraph following your quote
Nice one Goran.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
there. Now you are trying to backtrack and wriggle away from it, but you know full well (unless you really are super-dim) that the occupying students are barely disrupting anyone, and most certainly not the 'entire university.'
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
wriggle wriggle
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hang on, you were the one who posted it up to refute the claims that the students had tried to minimise disruption - no ones been daft enough to claim that there's been no disruption. You were the one who misread what it said and you were the one who cut off the bit that actually demonstrated that you were wrong and that efforts had been made to minise disruption.
Yeah, well served.
You plum. The second quote (quoted non-chronologically) was pretty clearly a question before I had had a chance to read the full thing. Numpty.
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