Scottish independence - as an Englishman, am I "wrong" not to give a crap?

[DotCommunist]

calling the remainder 'rump' UK is seriously swinging me to a no vote (if I had a say). We are not the rump. The loin maybe. And wales can be the haunch.

 

[RedDragon]

I'd be gobsmacked if the vote was YES, it would certainly be a memorable day in UK politics.

 

[weltweit]

I'd be gobsmacked if the vote was YES, it would certainly be a memorable day in UK politics.

I think it is increasingly possible it might be a yes vote.
Of the two campaigns yes is getting momentum, no does not seem to have even gotten started yet.
Perhaps as time progresses no might begin to be persuasive, but so far it looks as weak as Darling is charismatic!

 

[Quartz]

I'd be gobsmacked if the vote was YES, it would certainly be a memorable day in UK politics.

A Yes vote is highly likely IMHO.

 

[danny la rouge]

calling the remainder 'rump' UK is seriously swinging me to a no vote (if I had a say). We are not the rump. The loin maybe. And wales can be the haunch.

The r in rUK is for "remainder". Until you guys come up with a new name, rUK is all we have.

 

[DotCommunist]

why need a new name? we can just go back to Brittania Superior for the lols

 

[danny la rouge]

The rUK will likely veto Scottish membership of the EU.

Because it wants to have a balance of payments deficit with a country outside the EU.

Of course it won't veto Scottish membership.

 

[danny la rouge]

why need a new name? we can just go back to Brittania Superior for the lols

Go for it.

 

[strung out]

Perhaps as time progresses no might begin to be persuasive, but so far it looks as weak as Darling is charismatic!

Eh?

 

[free spirit]

Because it wants to have a balance of payments deficit with a country outside the EU.

Of course it won't veto Scottish membership.

also, having to negotiate separate trade, immigration / emigration and legal arrangements with the country that's closest to us would be a complete nightmare.

Can't see the remaining UK doing anything other than encouraging Scotland to be allowed membership of the EU asap.

 

[DotCommunist]

bit Roman I suppose, don't like the ancient romans.

if scotland goes independant that means they'd be a republic wouldn't it. Thats annoying. Why do we have to bear all the weight of royal parasites all of a sudden? I don't think people have thought this through.

 

[danny la rouge]

also, having to negotiate separate trade, immigration / emigration and legal arrangements with the country that's closest to us would be a complete nightmare.

Can't see the remaining UK doing anything other than encouraging Scotland to be allowed membership of the EU asap.

Exactly. It is in the rUK interests for Scotland to be in the EU. The idea of even the most dimwitted of Westminster governments vetoing Scottish membership just for badness is farcical.

 

[free spirit]

Exactly. It is in the rUK interests for Scotland to be in the EU. The idea of even the most dimwitted of Westminster governments vetoing Scottish membership just for badness is farcical.

I'd not entirely discount it though, given how fucking stupid the politicians in westminster seem to be anything's possible.

 

[danny la rouge]

if scotland goes independant that means they'd be a republic wouldn't it.

Sadly, no. The plan is for the monarchy to be shared (a la Canada, Australia etc), but a possible referendum maybe sometime in the future.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'd not entirely discount it though, given how fucking stupid the politicians in westminster seem to be anything's possible.

While I have to admit that has the ring of truth to it, I think the oil, gas & electricity imports alone would be seen as a good reason there should be no tariffs between Scotland & rUK.

 

[likesfish]

The spanish might though
A piss off the english
b stop catalonia and others getting any ideas.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Parts of the contracts to build the two Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers are destined for Scotland.

The first of them is quite far along in its assembly at Rosyth. They had to build a massive new dry dock for it and acquire an enormo-crane, so I doubt that work is going elsewhere.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Exactly. It is in the rUK interests for Scotland to be in the EU. The idea of even the most dimwitted of Westminster governments vetoing Scottish membership just for badness is farcical.

Aye, you're right. A Yes vote is going to be a massive ballache for Westminster (and Holyrood) anyway - just the administrative stuff splitting up the Civil Service etc for a start - they'd be mad to add the hassle of the trade stuff being outside the EU framework to that.

 

[gosub]

That depends on the real reason the contracts were awarded.

Many states buy arms from companies in other territories.

EU only allows defence shipping to be awarded internally to prop up industry, all other even fleet axillary has to be commercial tender, which is why fleet axillary ships are being built in Korea. EUrope can't compete on price its the added benefits of jobs for the boys that keep it viable. And those jobs, if they want to keep them will most likely move south along with the contractts

 

[gosub]

The rUK will likely veto Scottish membership of the EU.

rUk vetoing would be in breach of the Edinburgh agreement. 26 other countries ALL have to agree and there are a number where they won't like the precident

 

[DotCommunist]

Sadly, no. The plan is for the monarchy to be shared (a la Canada, Australia etc), but a possible referendum maybe sometime in the future.

well thats a shitter. Forwards to a worldwide shedding of etc.

I did have to laugh at the salmond news as reported on UK radio. Apparently the biggest talking point was he saying that a vote for independance is not a vote for SNP but a vote for scotlands future regardless of who has the whip hand. He's been making this point for ages how is this news?

 

[danny la rouge]

The spanish might though
A piss off the english
b stop catalonia and others getting any ideas.

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.ph...scots-membership-of-eu-are-qabsolutely-falseq

 

[gosub]

W

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.ph...scots-membership-of-eu-are-qabsolutely-falseq

Spain would still make Scotland rejoin, from there you have the budget deficet difficulties, Schengen membership - which means a proper border to rUK and promise to join EUro and you still have the other countries hoops as well

 

[Quartz]

I'd be gobsmacked if the vote was YES

Why? It was Yes last time around, though not to the required degree.

 

[butchersapron]

Why? It was Yes last time around, though not to the required degree.

That wasn't a referendum on this issue.

 

[danny la rouge]

Why? It was Yes last time around, though not to the required degree.

The last time round? In the 97 devolution referendum the Yes vote was 75 per cent.

And as butchers says, that was on devolution nor independence.

 

[Quartz]

The last time round? In the 97 devolution referendum the Yes vote was 75 per cent.

I was thinking of the vote of 1979, but that too was for a devolved assembly. I stand corrected.

 

[danny la rouge]

W

Spain would still make Scotland rejoin, from there you have the budget deficet difficulties, Schengen gen membership - which means a proper border to rUK and promise to join EUro and you still have the other countries hoops as well

Could, not would. And as for the stipulations, the EU is pragmatically lax. Denmark doesn't use the euro, despite being where the Copenhagen Agreement was signed and named!

As you know, this has been gone over and over on the other thread.

And as you also know, I do not support Scotland joining the EU anyway.

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh and the border thing is a Unionist scare story.

 

[gosub]

As they have the power of veto if they say jump it's how high as is with all others. Read that Farage piece on the other thread SNP vote yes to stay in reply is Newspeak bollocks of the highest order. But don't scare the horses even if further EU ref makes most sense