Scots indy results thread

[MikeMcc]

I haven't got 30 years.

Don't worry about it. Clearly Scotland will not (in our life-times) be an independent country, but this referendum will have massive implications for Scotland and the English regions. Bringing in regional English struggle may (in the long run) empower Scots regional political power.

I can easily see a UK with a restricted National Government with regional boards looking after large areas (Islands, Highlands, Lowlands, Southern Scotland, Lancs / Yorks, Northern and Southern Wales, West and East Midlands, East Anglia, London and The South). the status quo is not an option for anyone in the UK.

 

[JTG]

Time for work! Love to all in Scotland. Bye

 

[Tankus]

Only 14 months between Ireland's EU referendums when the first result didn't give the right one for the elites

This ones not going to be once in a lifetime is it ..?...my bets 5 to 8 years

 

[farmerbarleymow]

And you think the SNP could really deliver what they have been promising? What happens if they can't keep the currency, the Scots Pound goes pear-shaped, and corporations desert Montreal-style? I really don't think the consequences have been fully thought through, that doesn't necessarily make the alternatives attractive.

This is what I think too. I've already posted that I think No is the best outcome, even if that outcome isn't great.

The airy (and sometimes deeply arrogant) assumptions made by the SNP were hugely risky, and if an independent Scotland went tits up economically and England had to bail them out, that would come at a very heavy price, just like what has happened in the Euro zone where smaller countries like Greece have been ordered to carry out swingeing cuts.

It seems that the SNP were rushing into a referendum without taking the necessary time to plan things thoroughly. For example, negotiations over currency. Maybe in another ten years or so they might have a better case to out to the electorate.

But it has been a good day for democracy given the amazing engagement and turnout, and I hope that this continues. All credit to both sides for this achievement. And hopefully we'll all see some some proper constitutional change for the better, but I'm not holding my breath for that sadly.

 

[Anonymous1]

And you think the SNP could really deliver what they have been promising? What happens if they can't keep the currency, the Scots Pound goes pear-shaped, and corporations desert Montreal-style? I really don't think the consequences have been fully thought through, that doesn't necessarily make the alternatives attractive.

I think they would've protected the the NHS, free prescriptions and elderly care as a priority, if that's what you mean. How long they lasted after a first term would be another question though.
I would personally prefer a new Scotland adapted a new currency, as independent countries tend to. And yes i know that would be risky but not every country to go Independent has resources of Scotland.
Scotland is not Montreal.


Nevermind, watch out for the slash and burn. That's not a what if?

 

[quimcunx]

I don't think Salmond or the SNP have really put much thought into in any of this, they simply allowed their hearts to rule their heads without presenting much of an incisive mandate or realistic polices for an Independent Scotland. Salmond got found out largely by a silent majority. There will be a bitter aftertaste from this referendum. Scotland is at times a very divided country. Some 30 years ago I lived in Dundee for around a year. Dundee voted with a largish majority of yes voters, I don't think I would find the same element of hospitality today in Dundee that I did 30 years ago.

It's a shame you feel that way. The other day I spoke to my dad, Dundonian, SNP member since 1956 and yes voter, and he said 'Nothing can split us up. We are still friends, still neighbours. I'll still buy British, take holidays in England.' Your fears don't relate to anything the other yes voters in Dundee I know have expressed.

 

[JTG]

Don't worry about it. Clearly Scotland will not (in our life-times) be an independent country, but this referendum will have massive implications for Scotland and the English regions. Bringing in regional English struggle may (in the long run) empower Scots regional political power.

I can easily see a UK with a restricted National Government with regional boards looking after large areas (Islands, Highlands, Lowlands, Southern Scotland, Lancs / Yorks, Northern and Southern Wales, West and East Midlands, East Anglia, London and The South). the status quo is not an option for anyone in the UK.

You can draw a line through 'The South' or I aint interested

 

[MikeMcc]

I don't think Salmond or the SNP have really put much thought into in any of this, they simply allowed their hearts to rule their heads without presenting much of an incisive mandate or realistic polices for an Independent Scotland. Salmond got found out largely by a silent majority. There will be a bitter aftertaste from this referendum. Scotland is at times a very divided country. Some 30 years ago I lived in Dundee for around a year. Dundee voted with a largish majority of yes voters, I don't think I would find the same element of hospitality today in Dundee that I did 30 years ago.

Aye, though when I was up there, there was no significant antagonism. If you went into certain bars there was a feeling you got shut-out. The Hebs 'could' be worse, the folks there were a lot more direct.

 

[ska invita]

55/45 projected split

stating the obvious but it means it came down to 5% of the electorate - not a lot in it, even if split bigger than Yes voters may have hoped

 

[MikeMcc]

You can draw a line through 'The South' or I aint interested

For many Londoners that would be on a line through Stevenage!

 

[Combustible]

Glasgow did vote "Yes". So, I suppose it might cause a wee bit of concern to the Labour Party in Glasgow, which generally thinks it will always win by a sort of divine right. So that's sort of good, but the referendum as a whole is "no".

But for those who voted yes to get rid of the Tories, it might make a lot of sense to continue voting labour in general elections. People already vote snp in one and labour in the other.

 

[redsquirrel]

The leader of the Scottish Labour Party's own constituency voted for independence by 26807 Yes to 22956 No. Labour are a busted flush in Glasgow.

I've seen a number of people say this but why do you think that these people won't vote Labour in the next GE? Plenty of people already vote differently for Westminster, Holyrood and local elections. There was a swing to Labour in 2010, I can see some people drifting away from Labour, certainly at a SP/LE level, but on a large scale for Westminster, I just don't see it. They are still the Anti-Tory option for many, probably most, people.

 

[redsquirrel]

Big no for Edinburgh

Edinburgh - No 61.1%, 38.9%
Edinburgh has voted no.
No: 194, 638 (61.1%)
Yes: 123,927 (38.9%)

 

[Anonymous1]

Sickened, we blew it. Imagine rejecting independence to control and run your own affairs, i truly despair.

Night then.

 

[MikeMcc]

Fife may carry it...

 

[ska invita]

All well and good until the Montreal Effect comes into effect

whats that then

 

[gabi]

Surely the end of the road, finally, for Alex Salmond?

 

[redsquirrel]

Why when he's closed the gap to about 10% and has run the unionist parties ragged.

 

[MikeMcc]

It's a NO

 

[gabi]

Why when he's closed the gap to about 10% and has run the unionist parties ragged.

It was an unwinnable election. The result pretty much mirrors every single poll leading up to the big day. He's cost the country a fucking fortune, all to stoke his ego. Maybe in ten years yes. But he was never gonna win this.

 

[MikeMcc]

Surely the end of the road, finally, for Alex Salmond?

I doubt it. He was astute and a damned good politician. I don't agree with him, but he has left us looking at the situation and thinking 'what the hell do we do now?'

 

[Sasaferrato]

FOI request going in re cost of this. I suspect that it would offset the £400m of health spending cuts, scheduled to be announced after the referendum.

 

[weepiper]

It honestly feels like someone has died.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I doubt it. He was astute and a damned good politician. I don't agree with him, but he has left us looking at the situation and thinking 'what the hell do we do now?'

Bookies giving 2/1 that he's gone in 48 hours.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It honestly feels like someone has died.

No, it feels that the Scots have not bought Salmond's bullshit.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I haven't got 30 years.

Maybe not; but Scotland does.

 

[redsquirrel]

It was an unwinnable election. The result pretty much mirrors every single poll leading up to the big day. He's cost the country a fucking fortune, all to stoke his ego. Maybe in ten years yes. But he was never gonna win this.

God you're an idiot, 45% of the populace supported independence, on a turnout that is the highest in the UK and you call that just stroking someones ego. Even fucking pricks like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband have have to concede that the YES campaign forced them onto the back foot.

 

[Tankus]

Salmond standing behind a "one Scotland " bannered podium , after doing his utmost to divide it ....

Doesn't do irony well perhaps....

 

[Celyn]

The leader of the Scottish Labour Party's own constituency voted for independence by 26807 Yes to 22956 No. Labour are a busted flush in Glasgow.

I hope she is suitably "astonished!.

 

[ruffneck23]

NO : 1,877,252
YES :1,512,688