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Save The Vulcan pub in Cardiff - one of the city's oldest boozers faces demolition

The Vulcan Hotel in Adamsdown, Cardiff, is due to close next year to make way for a car park.
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It's fucking surrounded by car parks. What's the point, you could probably get in another 20 spaces?? The fucking thing never gets full anyway. :mad::mad:

In the last year i've been based in the Atrium across the road and often went in there for a pint after a long day. Such a shame.
 
old pub oppoisite a college ffs, what's wrong with students these days! :mad:
not that i been there often mind:oops::rolleyes:

one last Welsh meet in the Vulcan?:)

totally agree about the 20 car spaces, totally ridiculous

so many pro's for keeping it, what are the con's :confused:
 
ddraig said:
old pub oppoisite a college ffs, what's wrong with students these days! :mad:
not that i been there often mind:oops::rolleyes:

one last Welsh meet in the Vulcan?

totally agree about the 20 car spaces, totally ridiculous

so many pro's for keeping it, what are the con's :confused:
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Pint in the Vulcan next week? :)
 
spacemonkey said:
It's fucking surrounded by car parks. What's the point, you could probably get in another 20 spaces?? The fucking thing never gets full anyway. :mad::mad:

In the last year i've been based in the Atrium across the road and often went in there for a pint after a long day. Such a shame.
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The appropriate tactics would be to occupy the Vulcan and stage a "drink-in".

Your absolutely right, the Car Park is gonna have 3000 parking spaces, of which 50 will be situated where the Vulcan is. So a piece of history is gonna be destroyed for such a small number of parking spaces.

More politically this is linked to the transformation of Cardiff into a commercial Clone-town and huge shopping centre, the complete waste of investment that is "St David's Centre 2"

There is also the issue of our traditional working class social-centres being under threat: http://cardiffrespect.blogspot.com/search/label/public house

In the local papers there's increasing talk of Cardiff being "stripped of its identity" (some of it coming rather opportunistically from the Labour Party, who started the process under Russell Goodway/Good-pay, and links being built between the issues of the big book-sell out (this is now being delayed until the spring, while the council looks at it again - because of popular outcry), Bute Park malarkey, and the fate of historic buildings like the Vulcan.
 
ahh but do you drink there Udo? have you ever?

that's what they'll say to your opportunist campainging:p

not that i don't agree with most of what you say mind

we had a good rave up in the club building near it before it came down tho :cool:
 
I used to drink there every now and again (as some good friends lived in the neighbourhood), but to be honest not much in more recent years.

There was a bit of division among us opportunist campaigners, my comrades were highly sceptical of my idea for a "Cardiff Save our Pubs" campaign saying that their were more important things to agitate about, and one Adamsdown local even said that he didn't really like the Vulcan that much.

Re. The Lansdown, they agreed a compromise with the council that seems to be keeping the place afloat.

What I really hate is that you get some traditional pub where you can go and sit, chill-out and have a chat, and then they gut it, and replace it with some place where the music is absolutely deafening, its packed and you have loads of youth getting completely tanked up. It's all about money.

They did it to my favourite bar, Clancy's on death junction in Roath (now a scream pub - The George), when it changed ownership, the new owners made conscious attempts to change the clientelle (a good mixture of young and old, with great community spirit) actually instructing staff to be rude to older drinkers and serve them last even if they were front in the queue, as it is considered that young people drink more in shorter space of time than older drinkers who prefer to relax with a pint.

etc.
 
Udo Erasmus said:
I used to drink there every now and again (as some good friends lived in the neighbourhood), but to be honest not much in more recent years.

There was a bit of division among us opportunist campaigners, my comrades were highly sceptical of my idea for a "Cardiff Save our Pubs" campaign saying that their were more important things to agitate about, and one Adamsdown local even said that he didn't really like the Vulcan that much.

Re. The Lansdown, they agreed a compromise with the council that seems to be keeping the place afloat.

What I really hate is that you get some traditional pub where you can go and sit, chill-out and have a chat, and then they gut it, and replace it with some place where the music is absolutely deafening, its packed and you have loads of youth getting completely tanked up. It's all about money.

They did it to my favourite bar, Clancy's on death junction in Roath (now a scream pub - The George), when it changed ownership, the new owners made conscious attempts to change the clientelle (a good mixture of young and old, with great community spirit) actually instructing staff to be rude to older drinkers and serve them last even if they were front in the queue, as it is considered that young people drink more in shorter space of time than older drinkers who prefer to relax with a pint.

etc.
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totally agree
 
what they should do is work with the Drama department across the road and convert the upstairs into a theatre - where the college and students can put on shows. It maintains the deadly pub, provides a new stream of income and embeds it further into the local.

Just like the Alma Tavern in Bristol.
 
PAD1OH said:
what they should do is work with the Drama department across the road and convert the upstairs into a theatre - where the college and students can put on shows. It maintains the deadly pub, provides a new stream of income and embeds it further into the local.

Just like the Alma Tavern in Bristol.
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that's a bloody good idea! :cool:
 
I was just walking to the shops this cold chilly Sunday morning, when a flyer fluttering in the gutter caught my eye. It was nothing less than a "Save the Vulcan" flyer, complete with a date for a public meeting (last Thursday!) that I'd never heard of.


Seems like someone is trying to keep the old boozer in its current location:

http://www.save-the-vulcan.blogspot.com/

:cool:
 
Col_Buendia said:
I was just walking to the shops this cold chilly Sunday morning, when a flyer fluttering in the gutter caught my eye. It was nothing less than a "Save the Vulcan" flyer, complete with a date for a public meeting (last Thursday!) that I'd never heard of.


Seems like someone is trying to keep the old boozer in its current location:

http://www.save-the-vulcan.blogspot.com/

:cool:
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Cold today innit?

They've got this on the wall inside the pub too. I was in there end of Novembe after the Wales v Oz game and had a great night.

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There were almost 200 people at the meeting, but something odd is going on . . .
The campaign is being run by someone who works for the LibDems.
Even Rodney Berman, Leader of the Council now supports the campaign.

What is peculiar is that it was widely reported that the Vulcan was gonna be demolished to make way for a carpark linked with St Davids 2.

The Council made no effort to refute this story for months, until suddenly declaring that they had nothing to do with it & the land was owned by a private company who were building some restaurants or something on it & the council had no power over the matter.

What I can't get my head around is that the land was seized under a compulsory purchase order by the Council, who decided that they no longer needed it & somehow it has found its way into private ownership. Yet the Council claims nothing to do with it, unfortunately these issues are unlikely to be resolved by the 'Save the Vulcan' campaign as it is now dominated by the Liberal Democrats who also lead the Council/
 
Well the poster is asking you to write to Councillors, AMs and MPs, so that's politicising it.

The company developing the land is a Cardiff-based business called M.A Rapport, if that's any help. Most likely the council can't buy back the land now but if the building is listed or given some kind of historic grading then I guess Rapport wouldn't be able to demolish it?
 
lewislewis said:
I guess Rapport wouldn't be able to demolish it?
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So it gets boarded up for a few months and then mysteriously torched by unknown persons one night...there are some nasty "vandals" around. It rook them a few tries to get rid of the Central Hotel, but they managed it in the end.
 
lewislewis said:
Well the poster is asking you to write to Councillors, AMs and MPs, so that's politicising it.

The company developing the land is a Cardiff-based business called M.A Rapport, if that's any help. Most likely the council can't buy back the land now but if the building is listed or given some kind of historic grading then I guess Rapport wouldn't be able to demolish it?
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Rapport are the wholesalers who have a depot/office across in Churchill way. I think they own the land where the NCP next door to the Market Trader pub is. In fact they may well own all that land by there.

I onloy saw one of these flyers myself today in The Lewis Arms in Tongwynlais. Methinks they need to publicise a bit better next time.
 
butbutbut Rhys Ifans is on board now (as well as inverdale) so it must be saved! :rolleyes: godnamit!!

we had them leaflets round pontcanna last month! loads of vulcan regulars here obviously! :hmm:
bilingual they were n all
 
My criticisms of the campaign were a tad unfair, my point was that the Council seizes the land under a compulsory purchase order from the Vulcan, then decides it no longer needs it and presumably sells it at a profit to MA Raport, a private company. If the land was no longer needed then surely it should have reverted back to the original owner. I sense corruption. For Cardiff Council now to claim that it fully backs the campaign to save the Vulcan seems disingenuous.

But I have little knowledge of the intricacies of how this works.

But what is interesting is that the Council made no attempt for months to raise awareness that they no longer owned the land or refute the Carpark allegation.
 
Jeremy Vine is the next one on the case of the cause
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8046385.stm - audio clip from radio 2
bout 3mins in til lovely Liz :) but entertaining none the less

bbc said:
BBC Radio 2 presenter Jeremy Vine gets behind the bar at the endangered Victorian pub, The Vulcan in Cardiff. It has just won an award by the local branch for Campaign for Real Ale but time is running out for those hoping to save it from demolition.
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