butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Everything is equal forever. Apart from you and your 'culture'.
Rochdale grooming trial: Nine men jailed
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's because that's how the worldwide Islamo-Hymie conspiracy draws you in. First you eat our food...
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Starry Wisdom
ymu
i'd have thought that you could quickly turn your attention to my requests for you to explain yourself. in the absence of any reply on the subject all i can conclude if you find what you posted inexcusable.
i'd have thought that you could quickly turn your attention to my requests for you to explain yourself. in the absence of any reply on the subject all i can conclude if you find what you posted inexcusable.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Then you eat a fake christ. Bastards.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They do bleed to death you fucking idiot. That is not the whole issue. As has been pointed out to you several times the issue (for most westerners who decline it) is that they are bled to death while conscious. Now some may have been stunned, in which case you may argue that the slaughter method is the same as in non-ritualistic abatoirs, but some will not have been.
Now, the issue for Sikh's is that they a) are slaughtered ritually, and b) not instantly (bleeding does not cause instant death as you said earlier, and the process of hoisting the animal by it's hind legs while conscious is likely to cause it some distress).
In what way is the Sikh principle of Jhatka, racist towards Muslims?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Slaughtermen. A Butcher skins and divides a carcass after slaughter, a slaughterman actually does the killing. Even in small operations, the roles are usually kept separate.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
I agree. This is obviously different because it's so systematic and had involved such a huge number of people
But this isn't that uncommon either.
There are institutions, locked facilities, where young children are kept because the abuse they have suffered from pedophile rings is so severe that even as young as age 8 they are a serious risk to other children. We're talking kids who would just go up to another child in the playground and openly start molesting them, fucked up shit of the highest order. The Portman clinic is where many of them go for treatment; it used to be they got funding for as many years as they wanted to work with these kids. Now their funding is being slashed to 4 years per child. This is just not enough. What it does, is massively increase the chances of more young people being abused in the future.
To those in the know, this sort of case is not uncommon. It's unpopular and uncomfortable, so it's not talked about. This case has hit the headlines, and like Climbe, Baby P and others like it, there will be rage, people will call for questions. And then this case will slip quietly into the background again, little will change and society will fail its vulnerable children once more.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
For most Butchers that advertise themselves as "Halal", it's not an issue with many of those customers who're shopping there because it sells Halal. Are you saying they should mark the meat so when the occasional liberal buys from them, they can know what they're getting, and preserve their smug sanctimony?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
yes an ex gf of mine used to work in such a unit. there is a primary school in my village specially designed for such children of primary school age and that's having its funding cut too.
Bastards
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fuck off.For most Butchers that advertise themselves as "Halal", it's not an issue with many of those customers who're shopping there because it sells Halal. Are you saying they should mark the meat so when the occasional liberal buys from them, they can know what they're getting, and preserve their smug sanctimony?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I have never said the Sikh principle of Jhatka is racist. I don't even know why you would mention your wife's religious reasons for not eating halal - it had no relevance to your point, unless you were relying on a subtext of brown people not being racist towards other brown people.
Mis-characterising halal and kosher methods of slaughter as 'bleeding to death' is standard racist shit, and the vast majority of halal meat is stunned in the UK. You're trying to move the goalposts instead of addressing those points. I don't care if you're a racist or a gullible twat - you are choosing to use inflammatory and inaccurate language to demonise a group of people. Your usual MO, of course.
purenarcotic
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yes an ex gf of mine used to work in such a unit. there is a primary school in my village specially designed for such children of primary school age and that's having its funding cut too.
Bastards
It is hugely depressing. But it also begs the question what is happening to the adult support; what level of help are these men jailed going to receive? How are we going to ensure that if / when they, or other pedophiles get out they won't reoffend? We know that pedophilia is one of the hardest things to treat psychologically, so what are we going to do next? To me, this issue is massively important.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Ayatollah brought it up as opposition to ritual slaughter being yet another attack on Islam.
Ymu, being a total fuckwit, jumped in on it as well, but also managed to call everyone who opposes her on this thread, and pretty much all Sikh's, racist.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
child abuse is pretty common tbf tho.
Not that prevalent in the Gay and Lesbian community(s). He did, after all, make the claim about ALL communities.
Footballers arrested on sex assault claims
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-299458/Footballers-arrested-sex-assault-claims.html
This is a worrying trend clearly organised across the professional football community.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-299458/Footballers-arrested-sex-assault-claims.html
This is a worrying trend clearly organised across the professional football community.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You belittle the whole thread with this post.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's all about the way society treats the most vulnerable beings in and around it
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i agree. to be honest my gut reaction is of the hang em and flog em persuasion, i'd prefer to say that they should all be kept in prison indefinitely since there is so little chance of rehabilitation but i know, logically, that that is very impractical.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Personally, I'd much rather poultry wasn't stunned before slaughter, because the method most often used (the electrified water bath) isn't that efficient, and a fifth to a quarter of the poultry it's used on aren't stunned. However, economics dictates that as individual rather than waterbath-assisted production-line slaughter be used, up to 25% of the poultry processed experiences severe pain and disorientation before death.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Lucky escape.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Some people have mooted that option. To basically let them live in a max security type village. Let them work, let them live in houses, but with absolutely no access to children / no ever coming back into the real world. Pedophiles are usually well behaved prisoners; they are unlikely to attack staff / each other, so in terms of their freedom of movement within this institution (for want of a better word) they would be pretty open.
But this has all sorts of problems attached to it, it's difficult.
There are no easy answers really, I certainly don't have them. But I do think it's something that needs looking at and talking about, because we need to do something about them.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Piss off you bullshitting turd.
I explained that my wife wouldn't eat halal or kosher meat because she's Sikh, and both violate Jhatka. This to illustrate that not everyone who rejects halal is an "ignorant racist".
You responded with this:
ymu said:
It's really no wonder at all that muslim's are finding themselves getting a shit deal at the moment with people like you "defending" them and accussing anyone with a criticism of racism. I'm sure they'd much rather you didn't bother.
ymu said:
Addressed in the post you just quoted, liar.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah I've always thought the best thing would be either that, or to put them on an island and let them / god look after themselves. I know how reactionary that sounds but I don't think there's much chance of rehabilitating them, i don't agree with the death penalty either and it would be insanely impractical to keep on building more and more prisons and adding to the overcrowded prison population. What do you do then?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Grendon had to cut it's rehab budget by 15%, and has to make further cuts for the next 3 years (until 2015) too. Fucking ridiculous when it's just about the only British penal institution that's had success in minimising re-offending by dangerous and often violent sexual criminals.
SpineyNorman
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purenarcotic
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Yeah I've always thought the best thing would be either that, or to put them on an island and let them / god look after themselves. I know how reactionary that sounds but I don't think there's much chance of rehabilitating them, i don't agree with the death penalty either and it would be insanely impractical to keep on building more and more prisons and adding to the overcrowded prison population. What do you do then?
This is the million dollar question.
There's an interesting project in Canada where a group of Quakers have basically formed a sort of 'circle'. Pedophiles are referred to them upon release and they live with them and basically have a programe of activities to fill up the day. The idea behind it is that if they're always with other people then they can't reoffend. It has pretty good rates of success, the reoffending rates are much lower compared to those released without this intensive support. But this in itself is a mammoth ask of people; I mean would you allow a pedo to live with you? I'm not sure I could put aside my personal emotions to let them into my home and eat around my dinner table.
I expect there isn't one solution; as with most of these things it'll have to be multi-faceted and what works for one person won't work for another.
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