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Recommend me a book about the Silk Road

Mrs Miggins

There's been a slight cheese accident
The old Silk Road that is.
I've just been watching some programmes about China and would like to learn more about the Silk Road.

Any recommendations for something informative but not dry?
 
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Thanks! That sounds good. I wonder if it's better to buy as a book rather than download to Kindle. I imagine there are maps in it which don't work very well on Kindle.

ETA: the Peter Frankopan one.
 
I bought this book a while ago but haven't read it yet - The Silk Roads: A New History of the World by Peter Frankopan

I download this on audiobook (24 hours ffs) but have not started yet :facepalm:

I have it on audiobook too... But didn't really enjoy it that much. I can't remember why though. I'll have another listen soon... I think it sort of fell into the trap it was trying to expose. Too much to bite off in one book and not lose out on detail.
 
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This isn’t about the Silk Road as such but does contain several references in the first part of the book and it’s a well written account of the 100 million people or so who are minorities who aren’t Han Chinese and who have been pushed out to the edges of that society. It’s a good read.
 
First, in wiki checking a few things, I have stumbled across the Silk Road Foundation Journal... Seems not to have published anything since 2017, but looks like it might have a lot of interesting material.

So. Frankopan. Hmm. I've started listening again and will probably try to do so to the end, but yeah... It's reminding me of a few things. The first problem is that the key bit of the title is 'A new history of the world'... It's central conceit isn't so much that it's a history of the silk roads, but that it's history from the perspective of the silk roads. The second problem is that it fails to even be that.

Currently I'm listening to Arabs, by Tim Mackintosh-Smith. He goes into quite a lot of detail about pre-Islamic Arabs, about the coalescing of different groups, about social change. He talks a lot about language and poetry, and the evolution of Arabic and the strange position of that language as Islam spreads. And he does it using extensive quotes from contemporary Arabic/regional sources. Frankopan in contrast writes broad strokes history. He mentions places and things, he talks about the rise of X king or the fall of Y. He talks about movements of people, but in quite an abstracted sense... Sure, he gives detail sometimes, a quote here and there, but it just feels like he's adding colour.

This leads on to the book's biggest failing. It does the exact thing it's supposedly trying to address. Frankopan is a Byzan... Bytantiumist? Byzantist? His specialism is Byzantium. And by fuck does it show. In the first 4 chapters (which is where I am now) he probably talks about Rome, or the influence of Rome more than he does anything else. He frames it in a way that tries to cling to his idea, e.g expounding the influence of Persia and India on the development of Christianity. But fundamentally he's talking about the development of Christianity. He does, of course, talk about other religions, though I'm finding it hard to recall much detail.

Essentially this is a book about Persia and Byzantium (I haven't got to the bit where Byzantium collapses yet), with a side order of India, a smattering of China and a distinct lack of Turks. He has so far pretty much ignored the Turkic people around the silk road... It may be that I haven't got there yet, but we're on the rise of Islam, so the Gokturks should be around. He also makes the fairly major factual error of lumping the Xiongnu (maybe Turkic, maybe not) in with the Huns... There are reasonable arguments that they're the same, or linked, but everywhere else I've read about this link, the author is cautious. He just flat out says they're the same. Read around a bit and there are other basic errors I wouldn't have noticed, I just picked up on that because I'm interested in the various steppe Empires/people at the moment.

Finally, browsing the odd review, I'm reminded it gets more focussed on western impacts on the Middle East as the timeline progresses. Important history no doubt, but told better by other authors, and making the scope of his work far too wide to deliver something with genuine insights.

So... Maybe as a general history, though it's also imo just not a great book... But I'm on audio, and that doesn't necessarily reflect how it reads in physical form.
 
Oh, this is the more up to date version of that silk road site. This is the blurb from the most recent edition:

The latest volume of The Silk Road fully lives up to this promise. Our excursion through place and time begins with a fascinating archaeological report by Marina Kulinovskaya and Pavel Leus on recently excavated Xiongnu graves in Tuva, lavishly illustrated with nearly fifty color photographs from the field. We are then treated to Jin Noda’s analysis of Japanese intelligence agents in Russian and Qing Inner Asia during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Next up is Zhang Zhan’s in-depth reassessment of ancient Sogdian documents from Khotan and what they can tell us about the status and occupations of these far-flung travelers during the first millennium CE. Zhang’s philological analysis is followed by Li Sifei’s investigation into the complex subject of Chinese perceptions of “Persians” and “Sogdians” during the Northern Zhou, Sui, and Tang dynasties. Marina Rodionova and Iakov Frenkel’ then encourage us to transfer our attention to the other, far less popularized end of the Silk Road, with a detailed case study of how a Mongol-era Chinese celadon made its way to the Novgorod Kremlin in Russia.

I might have to go and take a cold shower.
 
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Yep, given up on Frankopan. About 12 hours in we got to the conquest of the Americas, and we're now on the East India company, VOC etc. So towards the end of major silk road commerce at around the halfway point. It's quite a weird read (well, listen) in some ways, it's not bad as a general global history, but there's always this kind of nagging feeling of how this relates to the premise of the book. Might get it in physical form one day and see how it holds up.
 
I liked the frankopan book. I thought it was a good synopsis of the movement from one dominant trading area to another. Yes it's as much about contextualising the rise of European trade than the actual silk road itself. It still gives a good overview. It's a kind of 101 in deconstructing eurocentricity.
 
I liked the frankopan book. I thought it was a good synopsis of the movement from one dominant trading area to another. Yes it's as much about contextualising the rise of European trade than the actual silk road itself. It still gives a good overview. It's a kind of 101 in deconstructing eurocentricity.

Yeah, I'd give it that much I think... Silk road as a metaphor for trade. I'd say for someone who hasn't read much history (in general) it'd be decent. But for me having that 'Silk Road' writ large on the title just made it disappointing. Tbh you'll get as much information on the Silk Road from an evening of going dow the wiki rabbit hole. Probably more.
 
It *is* a metaphor for trade! :D

Ah, urban pedantry... I'll rephrase to 'Yeah, I'd give it that much... <inasmuch as it uses the> silk road as a metaphor for trade <trope>. But it promises so much more than it gives. And - the important part for this thread - it's not a history of the silk road.
 
Finally finished the Frankopan book. I quite liked it to begin with, but it could have left out the 20th century and been much better (and shorter) for it.
 
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