Reclaim Brixton movement - meetings and April 25th protest planned

[Gramsci]

My point: The arguments about the contribution of media and Brixton Village are … a bit silly. This is at least as much about a city being reborn with hundreds of thousands of new immigrants, huge new infrastructure projects, new industries: I’m really not sure it helps the cause of Brixton to look only at Brixton.

There are moves to link up the struggles across London. The recent "Brick Lane Debates" in Brixton did this. I am around Soho a lot and the same thing is happening. There is a "Save Our Soho" campaign.

The is Brixton forum so it focuses on Brixton.

 

[Gramsci]

Couldn't agree more. People seem to have forgotten that a riot can form a valid part of the political process, so long as the rioters choose targets honestly and express a justifiable grievance. Many black people seem to have forgotten or not been taught about Scarman. They feel excluded from the political process. I suspect they believe that even when they riot their views are ignored by the establishment. Perhaps this partly explains why the Mark Duggan protest deteriorated into random looting and arson? Maybe the logic was "torching police cars won't achieve anything, so fuck it, we may as well have some free shoes." The dispiriting thing about Reclaim Brixton is that some of it is framed as black vs white. If it could be just rich vs poor we might get somewhere.

The earlier riots in Brixton also had a lot of looting and arson. At the time the first riot in Brixton in 81 was also in some quarters regarded in the same way as the recent riot in London.

Agree about the Black vs White. I think this is politically divisive. As you say its some not all of it. Reclaim Brixton from what I have seen of it is a broad based.

 

[Gramsci]

I haven't replied because I didnt see your post, apologies. I have a life outside of urban75.

Can you answer my question? Who exactly are you trying to 'Reclaim Brixton' from? What gives you the right to decide who is worthy and who isn't of living and running businesses here?

Who are you trying to reclaim Brixton from?

You still have not said where I am being a nimby in my posts. I think my previous posts here have covered a lot of the issues.

The question that should be asked is why Network Rail , for example, has the "right" to turf out existing small business.

I support Cressingham Gardens, The Guinness Trust AST and the shopkeepers in the Arches. This does not make me a nimby.

 

[Gramsci]

Poster by Lambeth Housing Activists and Unite Community

 

[editor]

Huge crowd at the meeting now. And it's a far more mixed crowd this time around.

 

[editor]

It's all pretty upbeat and positive too. Good meeting with loads of ideas.

 

[editor]

Can you answer my question? Who exactly are you trying to 'Reclaim Brixton' from? What gives you the right to decide who is worthy and who isn't of living and running businesses here?

Who are you trying to reclaim Brixton from?

Shame you couldn't be bothered to show up at the meeting to find out for yourself, really.

 

[Up the junction]

It's the Illuminati, isn't it?

No one expected the Brixton Illuminati!

 

[editor]

It's the Illuminati, isn't it?

No one expected the Brixton Illuminati!

What are you on about?

 

[Up the junction]

We're trying to work out who you are saving Brixton from, and you seem a bit shy about saying.

 

[editor]

We're trying to work out who you are saving Brixton from, and you seem a bit shy about saying.

Where have I stated that I'm "saving" Brixton from anything?

 

[Up the junction]

I feel like I'm try to talk to a stroppy teenager about whether they've done their homework.

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

We're trying to work out who you are saving Brixton from, and you seem a bit shy about saying.

Who is we're?

 

[Up the junction]

Why even ask? Is it important?

If it helps, on this page of this thread, gabi and myself.

 

[Citizen66]

Gabi isn't on this page.

 

[editor]

I feel like I'm try to talk to a stroppy teenager about whether they've done their homework.

If you want a grown up conversation, try acting like one. Let's start with you backing up your bizarre assertion that I've claimed to be "saving" Brixton from something or another.

 

[Up the junction]

Would you prefer "reclaiming", or do you not support the campaign?

 

[editor]

Would you prefer "reclaiming", or do you not support the campaign?

Unlike you, I prefer to go long to the meetings and find out what is being proposed, rather than make up daft stuff on a bulletin board. The broad aims of the protest have been posted up several times already and I broadly support them (protecting social housing tenants and local businesses from eviction, calling for a halt to massive rent rises, protecting local services, forcing developers to give something back to the community they're exploiting etc etc).

If you're unwilling to read what's already been posted, then I can't be arsed to spoonfeed you the information you're to lazy to look up yourself, so your sneery 'points' are going to go unanswered. I've got better things to do with my time.

 

[Up the junction]

Unlike you, I prefer to go long to the meetings and find out what is being proposed, rather than make up daft stuff on a bulletin board. The broad aims of the protest have been posted up several times already and I broadly support them .

If you're unwilling to read what's already been posted, then I can't be arsed to spoonfeed you the information you're to lazy to look up yourself, so your sneery 'points' are going to go unanswered. I've got better things to do with my time.

Can you please try to not talk about me and concentrate on the issue.

"(protecting social housing tenants and local businesses from eviction, calling for a halt to massive rent rises, protecting local services, forcing developers to give something back to the community they're exploiting etc etc)"

Okay. I won't ask you how they propose to do that because you have already said, in relation to your anti-immigrant stance on new businesses in Brixton, you don't know anything about business.

 

[editor]

Okay. I won't ask you how they propose to do that because you have already said, in relation to your anti-immigrant stance on new businesses in Brixton, you don't know anything about business.

Ah, so you're here to troll and to try and disrupt the forum by making up silly lies and daft misrepresentations. Stop now, please.

 

[Up the junction]

Well I can't say anymore because you've censored me in a private message but, as a point of fact, you did say you don't want newcomers starting up businesses in Brixton - inc. that New Zealand woman.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[editor]

Well I can't say anymore because you've censored me in a private message but, as a point of fact, you did say you don't want newcomers starting up businesses in Brixton - inc. that New Zealand woman.

I'll leave it at that.

If you keep on disrupting this discussion with defamatory cross-thread nonsense about how I supposedly support an "anti-immigrant stance on new businesses in Brixton" you will be banned. So I would indeed leave it at that if I were you.

 

[Mr Retro]

Okay. I won't ask you how they propose to do that because you have already said, in relation to your anti-immigrant stance on new businesses in Brixton, you don't know anything about business.

Come on, argue with the guy all you want and disagree on everything but that's too far to accuse of anti-immigration when it's blatanly untrue.

 

[editor]

I had to leave early last night, but one of the aims of the meeting was to draw up a list of demands to the council. I'll mail them now to ask if I can post them up on Buzz.

 

[Pickman's model]

I had to leave early last night, but one of the aims of the meeting was to draw up a list of demands to the council. I'll mail them now to ask if I can post them up on Buzz.

"we have no demands to make of you. our banners read only: behold your future executioners"

 

[editor]

"we have no demands to make of you. our banners read only: behold your future executioners"

It wasn't quite as hardcore as that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

We're trying to work out who you are saving Brixton from, and you seem a bit shy about saying.

it's "Reclaim Brixton", cheesewit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I feel like I'm try to talk to a stroppy teenager about whether they've done their homework.

With language use like the above, you're not "try [sic] to talk", you're gibbering.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why even ask? Is it important?

If it helps, on this page of this thread, gabi and myself.

Nice of you to speak for gabi. I'm sure he'll appreciate that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Gabi isn't on this page.

gabi is never on the same page as anyone else.