Reclaim Brixton movement - meetings and April 25th protest planned

[aussw9]

I don't think their statement was intended to be an definitive list, just an example of the sort of people who may feel disenfranchised by the changes.

I understand that, however I feel that it hasn't been communicated clearly that this is an issue for all in the community and the language could inadvertently feel exclusive or point out groups who Brixton should be reclaimed from.

I'll leave it there from now as to not draw away from the issue at hand.

 

[Up the junction]

I'm not clear on the bascis; take what back, for whom, from whom? Do they, for example, want Granville Arcade decaying and 1/3 empty?

What year do they want to reset to?

Need some clarification on representation and goals.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not clear on the bascis; take what back, for whom, from whom? Do they, for example, want Granville Arcade decaying and 1/3 empty?

What year do they want to reset to?

Need some clarification on representation and goals.

pls engage brain and all should become obvious

 

[editor]

I'm not clear on the bascis; take what back, for whom, from whom? Do they, for example, want Granville Arcade decaying and 1/3 empty?

I get a a bit pissed off hearing this myth repeated. It was never 1/3rd empty and the only reason it was "decaying" was because the owners at the time were intentionally running it down so they could push through their shitty redevelopment plans.

 

[Up the junction]

I get a a bit pissed off hearing this myth repeated. It was never 1/3rd empty and the only reason it was "decaying" was because the owners at the time were intentionally running it down so they could push through their shitty redevelopment plans.

It's no "myth" 2nd Ave was 90% empty - fucking ghost town, 3rd Ave 30%, etc ... these are facts.

 

[editor]

It's no "myth" 2nd Ave was 90% empty - fucking ghost town, 3rd Ave 30%, etc ... these are facts.

Nope. It was run down for sure, but never as bad as 1/3rd empty - and I've got plenty of pictures from that time to disprove those "facts."

 

[Up the junction]

Then lets see 2nd Ave before the 'rent free' period.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

What year do they want to reset to?

To before the indoor market became the whitest place in London...

 

[Pickman's model]

To before the indoor market became the whitest place in London...

no, just above the barrel on the left hand side there - is that someone not white? and moving toward the right, below the figure 2. but there's certainly something anemic about the place.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

no, just above the barrel on the left hand side there - is that someone not white? and moving toward the right, below the figure 2. but there's certainly something anemic about the place.

Tanned probably.

 

[editor]

Then lets see 2nd Ave before the 'rent free' period.

Hang on - you said all of Granville Arcade was 1/3rd empty. It wasn't. But give me the year and I'll show you some pics.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hang on - you said all of Granville Arcade was 1/3rd empty. It wasn't. But give me the year and I'll show you some pics.

no, don't give him the exercise involved in moving the goalposts. he made his claim and has to stick with it.

 

[Up the junction]

Hang on - you said all of Granville Arcade was 1/3rd empty. It wasn't. But give me the year and I'll show you some pics.

90% of 2nd Ave plus bits in 3rd Ave and elswhere is 1/3 of Granville Arcade

 

[Pickman's model]

90% of 2nd Ave plus bits in 3rd Ave and elswhere is 1/3 of Granville Arcade

can i see your working?

 

[Up the junction]

can i see your working?

numpty + freak = clown car co-pilot

 

[editor]

90% of 2nd Ave plus bits in 3rd Ave and elswhere is 1/3 of Granville Arcade

Just look at it struggling in 2003.

 

[Up the junction]

Is that the era they want to reset to?

Or shall we all go back another five years to be safe?

 

[editor]

And here's the empty 2nd Ave in 2003:

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2013/11/...-seven-powers-magick-shop-in-brixton-village/

 

[editor]

Is that the era they want to reset to?

You said before the 'rent free period'. I have produced photos of that period. It wasn't as empty as you claimed.

 

[Pickman's model]

numpty + freak = clown car co-pilot

so you're making it up as you go along. and there was me thinking you knew something of the subject.

 

[Up the junction]

You said before the 'rent free period'. I have produced photos of that period. It wasn't as empty as you claimed.

The Space Makers Agency teamed up with London & Associated Properties PLC and Lambeth Council to fill the empty shop units in the Brixton Village indoor market (aka Granville Arcade).

Claimed to be the UK's biggest 'empty shops project,' the disused units have been given over to temporary and permanent projects with the aim of kickstarting regeneration.

http://www.urban75.org/brixton/photos/brixton-village-indoor-market.html


Do you honestly think people don't remember how shit it was alongthere - really, who are you trying to convince?

 

[editor]

Do you honestly think people don't remember how shit it was alongthere - really, who are you trying to convince?

I'm not trying to convince anyone, but I'm interested in why you're choosing to ignore my photos and run with a commercial press release.

PS The ''After' in that rather deceptive press release was a one off event.

 

[Up the junction]

Do you honestly not remember or do you have an agenda for which it suits you to not remember? Look at that photo, do you remember that?

Going back to the point, take what back, for whom, from whom?

 

[editor]

Do you honestly not remember or do you have an agenda for which it suits you to not remember? Look at that photo, do you remember that?

Going back to the point, take what back, for whom, from whom?

I walked through the Village almost every day for 20 years so I remember it very well. And as for the 'taking back' - I imagine they're referring to it being a true community resource and not a tourist attraction for white middle class people to go shopping in high end and unaffordable 'independent' stores. Most locals I know don't set foot in the Village any more because they either can't afford it or it offers nothing for them any more. Does that bother you in the slightest or should they just suck it up?

 

[Up the junction]

"you imagine" - well, like a lot of people I look forward to seeing the goals fleshed out.

 

[editor]

"you imagine" - well, like a lot of people I look forward to seeing the goals fleshed out.

What "goals" are these? More reduction in social housing in Brixton? The rising rents? The takeover of all long term independent traders by chains? The continued pricing out of the people living in one of London's poorest wards?

 

[editor]

This chimes with Brixton's fate:
Camden Market stall holders in 'state of fear' over development plans

When Camden Market first opened in 1973, it was based in a bomb-damaged packing warehouse and was only expected to last a summer. Forty years later, it’s grown from counter-culture ghetto to capitalist mecca, with young tourists flocking to buy everything from Doc Martins and designer furniture to vinyl records and bongs.

Now though, stall holders say they are in a “state of fear” over plans to list the market on the stock exchange and plough the proceeds into developing 170 new flats, a potential boutique hotel, cinema and designer stores. Market veterans warn the plans risk sucking the “charm and creativity” out of an area whose edgy, bohemian vibe inspired the likes of The Clash, Amy Winehouse and Pete Doherty.

 

[Pickman's model]

This chimes with Brixton's fate:
Camden Market stall holders in 'state of fear' over development plans

yeh there's a thread about camden

 

[editor]

yeh there's a thread about camden

I know but it seems pertinent to this thread too.

 

[Mr Retro]

Hang on - you said all of Granville Arcade was 1/3rd empty. It wasn't. But give me the year and I'll show you some pics.

It's interesting the way you remeber things. In my head I remember it as first avenue always full and except for a few stragglers the rest of the market more or less empty. If I'd been asked, from memory I'd have said the market wasn't 50% occupied.

I also remeber a thread when Mrs Magpie and Intostella raged against the new name of Brixton Village and how they would continue to call it by its proper name. Jesus how long ago was that?