Prince Harry

[Athos]

Your head really is a strange place.

Are you of the view that any allegation, made by any person, should be automatically believed, without further check?

Are you Tom Watson?

There is no other evidence (nor would you expect there to be of a private family discussion). So, based on what we do have i.e. Harry saying it happened (and nobody denyng it), do you think it more likely to have happened or not? Essentially, is it more likely that he made the whole thing up, or that (at least some of) the royal family behaved in a racist way with regard to her?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm saying it was made up, I'm asking if there was a another source.

Presumably the only other source would be the person who said it.

So if you're asking about level of evidence, they could be lying of course, but it's not hearsay. It's direct testimony from the person it was said to.

 

[Artaxerxes]

The idea that a comment at least quite like this was made has an incredibly plausible ring to it for me. I'm talking about some time back, but one comment I heard a lot from adults hovering over my little sister's pram back in the early 80's was "oh, isn't she fair" in impressed tones (I also had the same comments apparently - in terms of proportional heritage me and my sister are very similar to Archie).

This was said directly to my Mum by the way.

I don't want to accuse you of racism since I know some people really wanted to like Meghan and were very disappointed by her reported behaviour that apparently began as soon as her feet were under the table, but I don't think it's an either/or in terms of whether Meghan behaved badly in some cases vs. whether certain sectors of our media saw an opportunity to pander to their racist constituencies.

The first comment I got from one sibling on seeing her photo was directly about my future wife's skin colour. This was in 2003ish. I'm sure in his mind it #bantz and nothing serious.

Its one of a series of reasons I'm not expecting to see him again any time soon and couldn't give a shit if I don't.

People are cunts

 

[danny la rouge]

Have you seen the disgusting onslaught of attacks on her by the media, which started as soon as she became involved with Harry?

For example, this comparison has already been posted: Here Are 20 Headlines Comparing Meghan Markle To Kate Middleton That Might Show Why She And Prince Harry Are Cutting Off Royal Reporters

That’s racism, by the way, Sasaferrato

 

[bimble]

It was a little more complicated than that!

Yes. I was going for a snazzy one liner though.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Have you seen the disgusting onslaught of attacks on her by the media, which started as soon as she became involved with Harry?

I did see a collage of front pages the other day, every one welcoming her.

Here Are The Newspaper Front Pages On The Day Of The Royal Wedding

Meghan Markle and her mum, Doria Ragland, are the pre-wedding stars.

www.buzzfeed.com

 

[8ball]

I think I would need a wee bit more than that.

The statement is just so bloody awful, really awful. It's a baby FFS!

I heard randoms on the street/tram making such comments. Randoms who were not the former overseers of a racist Empire.

 

[teqniq]

Ahahahahahaha:

UK media not bigoted: SoE responds to Sussexes’ claims of racism – Society of Editors

Society of Editors. Protecting the freedom of the news media

www.societyofeditors.org

 

[danny la rouge]

I think I would need a wee bit more than that.

I’m not just using that though, I have the evidence of the person it was said to.

 

[Idris2002]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[Sasaferrato]

For example, this comparison has already been posted: Here Are 20 Headlines Comparing Meghan Markle To Kate Middleton That Might Show Why She And Prince Harry Are Cutting Off Royal Reporters

That’s racism, by the way, Sasaferrato

Have a look at the front pages. It started well, then soured.

 

[danny la rouge]

Have a look at the front pages. It started well, then soured.

It always does.

 

[Orang Utan]

Have a look at the front pages. It started well, then soured.

And why do you think that happened?

 

[Sasaferrato]

I’m not just using that though, I have the evidence of the person it was said to.

Because it is such a serious allegation, probably.

On reflection, it would be a dreadful thing to allege if not true.

Saddening though.

 

[8ball]

I did see a collage of front pages the other day, every one welcoming her.

Here Are The Newspaper Front Pages On The Day Of The Royal Wedding

Meghan Markle and her mum, Doria Ragland, are the pre-wedding stars.

www.buzzfeed.com

Well, there's a bit of snark in the Daily Mail one, but it's fair comment to say they took a day off.

So, in the set of pics Danny just posted up, what is your explanation?

 

[1927]

The person it happened to is surely the most reputable source?

I think Archie is a bit too young to be asking.

 

[Orang Utan]

I think Archie is a bit too young to be asking.

It happened to Harry

 

[chilango]

I am neither racist or bigoted.

...anything that is not able to be substantiated goes on the 'maybe' pile. Sometimes evidence does appear.

 

[Athos]

On reflection, it would be a dreadful thing to allege if not true.

So...?

There is no other evidence (nor would you expect there to be of a private family discussion). So, based on what we do have i.e. Harry saying it happened (and nobody denyng it), do you think it more likely to have happened or not? Essentially, is it more likely that he made the whole thing up, or that (at least some of) the royal family behaved in a racist way with regard to her?

 

[1927]

To be sure Uncle Andrew won't visit their kids.

Not until any daughter reaches 16. allegedly.

 

[1927]

Again, an unsubstantiated allegation, which certainly added spice to the interview.

Was it true? I don't know.

It is possible, yes of course it is.

Is it likely? Yes, it is.

Is it likely that it would have been said to the Duchess? Absolutely not.

So we come back to an unsubstantiated allegation in a TV interview.

Unlike some on the thread, anything that is not able to be substantiated goes on the 'maybe' pile. Sometimes evidence does appear.

There is no doubt that they are both very very bitter about perceived slights, and this interview reeks of revenge.

It was said to Harry and he confirmed it!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Why would Harry lie to his wife about something like that?

 

[andysays]

For example, this comparison has already been posted: Here Are 20 Headlines Comparing Meghan Markle To Kate Middleton That Might Show Why She And Prince Harry Are Cutting Off Royal Reporters

That’s racism, by the way, Sasaferrato

As far as I can see, all that those contrasted stories demonstrate conclusively is that the media have treated the two women very differently, they don't demonstrate that the reason for that difference is necessarily racism.

There are other differences between Meghan and Kate which might have explained the difference, at least to the casual observer.

I also wasn't aware that Harry and Meghan had themselves previously suggested that the difference was down to racism. This interview and the question about the expected baby's skin colour is the first thing I've seen which is clearly and unmistakably an example of that.

 

[maomao]

Why would Harry lie to his wife about something like that?

Maybe he has a grudge against his Aunt Anne.

 

[xenon]

So the racism bit is unsubstantiated comment but all the apparent awful behaviour, what ever that was, is true.

 

[1927]

Hang on a minute. I did NOT say that. I questioned, perfectly reasonably, if it had been said.

If it was said then of course it is racist, how could it be anything else? If it was said it is an appalling thing to say.

So you admit the Royal family are racist! wahaay!

 

[8ball]

There are other differences between Meghan and Kate which might have explained the difference, at least to the casual observer.

Previous history of work in the media and public life in general, being a little older, being a divorcee.
I can't think of any others.

 

[D'wards]

I did a search to find out who Guy Pelly was. The first page was a load of hits saying “who is Guy Pelly?”. I gave up hope of ever finding out and quit the search. I think I’ll live.

He's the childhood best pal of both Harry and Wills.

In the old days when Harry was the "fun one" he was always in the vicinity when Harry was playing pool naked in Vegas or dressing as a nazi or otherwise enjoying his life and privilege and fame.
The tabloids gunned for him as a "bad influence"

 

[Sasaferrato]

And why do you think that happened?

Frogmore. The move to the States, (without informing the Queen of their intention), the 'woke' bollocks they have been spouting, the venality of the couple (Netflix).

Most things small, but cumulatively turned the GBP against them, this mirrored by the press.

A clusterfuck all round really.

A pity, but Harry broke the 'deal', he had a life of immense privilege, the downside of course was a life of 'royal service'. Meghan couldn't handle that, she seemed to have no understanding of what she was signing up for.... basically having to cease having an opinion on anything at all contentious.

Had things been done differently...

 

[ddraig]

Frogmore. The move to the States, (without informing the Queen of their intention), the 'woke' bollocks they have been spouting, the venality of the couple (Netflix).

Most things small, but cumulatively turned the GBP against them, this mirrored by the press.

A clusterfuck all round really.

A pity, but Harry broke the 'deal', he had a life of immense privilege, the downside of course was a life of 'royal service'. Meghan couldn't handle that, she seemed to have no understanding of what she was signing up for.... basically having to cease having an opinion on anything at all contentious.

Had things been done differently...

What woke bollocks?