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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit
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AnnO'Neemus
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I said it was the best explanation I’ve heard. Give us a better one.
Raheem
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Because it sounds like ponce? Which specifically means a pimp. I’m not convinced.
Bahnhof Strasse
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Nonce is based on fairly old English, but in the past 100 years or so in London has been used for sex criminal, then moved more to child sex criminal. In the 60’s was very much related to ponce, as both indicated ‘less than a real man’.
keybored
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Looks like one of them there backronyms.
Another explanation I've been given was that's it's a word for someone who's been convicted of "nonsense crimes", as in crimes that don't result in any financial reward and are therefore nonsensical. But that sounds unlikely too, since it could cover many other offences (like a lot of murders or arsons).
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
No idea, this was 1990s though - I actually met him while he was driving.I thought taxi drivers had to pass a DBS check to get their taxi licence?
keybored
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
A really good article IMO. Royal or otherwise, sex abuse stories have a grim familiarity in the wielding of male power | Sonia Sodha
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
I thought taxi drivers had to pass a DBS check to get their taxi licence?
It has only been widespread since 2012 and even then a taxi/private hire DBS would only cover offences relevant to working with children and vulnerable people. Other classes of offence would not be considered.
Pre-2012, only drivers who would mainly be working with children/vulnerable people had to apply.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
In a previous job working at a Uni with 70% female students we put out to tender a proposal to have a preferred trusted taxi service that we could recommend to everyone on campus with confidence. An absolutely essential and non-negotiable requirement (before size of fleet, DDA compliance, etc.) was that all drivers be DBS checked. Several companies dropped out at that stage but happy to say that the winner went to very impressive lengths on all requirements.
Peter Painter
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All this discussion of the word 'nonce', it's the word, 'paedophile', that irritates me. It literally means, lover of children.
Why can't they instead just be referred to as child abusers?
It's not that important, I know. Just a little thing that I find a bit irritating.
Why can't they instead just be referred to as child abusers?
It's not that important, I know. Just a little thing that I find a bit irritating.
keybored
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It doesn't, any more than "hydrophilia" means "a love of water".
Greek contains different words for different type of love, which are not directly translatable. Love in the sense of affection and caring is αγάπη (agapi). Φιλος means friend, bonding, connection. If you want to be literal, peodophile refers to something like one who seeks a bond with children. It’s not one who loves children in the context you are meaning.
(Strictly, since erotic love is έρως, which is where we get the word erotic from, paraphilias should probably be paraeroticas. But English has absorbed the suffix -philia for this purpose, and I think that’s fine.)
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Peter Painter
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Puddy_Tat
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I thought taxi drivers had to pass a DBS check to get their taxi licence?
Yes.
It's been a while since I've been involved in such things (in my case organising school transport for the county education department, so it was the equivalent of full DBS at the time - we could consider 'spent' convictions, but most taxi licensing authorities didn't at that time - opinion varied as to whether taxi licensing authorities had the legal power to do so - I think this got clarified.)
A DBS check does not mean that a person with any conviction, no matter how long ago or how minor will be automatically be disqualified from the job. There are (a small number of) people who are barred from working with children / vulnerable people, but (for example) a conviction for shoplifting will not cause that...
In most cases DBS will provide information to allow potential employers / licensing authorities to make an informed decision. This is one council's policy on taxi licensing and past convictions.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Yeah, I know that people with spent/minor convictions could pass a regular DBS check (but not an enhanced DBS check), and that the nature of the offence was taken into consideration, but I kind of assumed that if an offence was serious enough to warrant jail time then someone wouldn't pass a DBS check?
kenny g
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It is complicated...and enhanced DBS do not necessarily show all convictions. There have been a couple of supreme court judgements that forced the government's hands. This guide looks up to date. DBS filtering guide
tim
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LDC
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There's not such a thing as passing or failing a DBS check. It's up to the employer as to whether they will employ you or not depending on what comes back on your record and their policies etc.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Yeah, can understand the concerns. That's why I was surprised to read of the taxi driver friend who'd been inside above, because I was working on two assumptions ie private hire/ taxi drivers had to be DBS checked (which I further assumed to be enhanced as private hire/ taxi companies often get contracts to do school runs for eg disabled children), and that someone who'd been inside wouldn't pass a DBS check.
It's kind of been reassuring to me, as a single woman getting in private hire cars and taxis by myself.
When I moved to London years ago, you'd get guys in cars outside bars and clubs going 'Taxi?' and I'd never get in one. And then I tried to get a private hire car near where I was living in Shepherd's Bush and there was no company livery stuck on the doors or bonnet, there was no private hire badge fixed to the back of the car and I refused to get in.
It's happened to me here in Manchester a couple of times recently, when I've been travelling alone, I never get in unmarked vehicles, even I call up and say an unmarked vehicles turned up and control goes 'Sorry, he's got a new car'.
No private hire badge and/or company livery, no fare.
And I felt safe(r) in the knowledge that private hire/taxi drivers had to be (or so I assumed) DBS checked and hadn't ever been convicted of a serious offence.
But worrying to know my assumptions have been wrong.
Don't get me wrong, rehabilitation of offenders is great, companies like Timpsons do great work, St Giles Trust does brilliant work with ex-offenders, it's just that as a woman who often uses private hire cars/taxis, I felt safer thinking that anyone who'd been convicted of a serious offence couldn't be a taxi/private hire driver, and now I find out it's not true and thinking, wtf, women have enough difficulties trying to ensure their safety in their daily lives, I thought that was an area where I didn't have to worry (too much).
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
Wise precautions. I was on a jury with a case of a rapist who posed as a minicab driver to trap his victim. I (& others) was left with the nagging sense that it wasn’t the first time he’d done it
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
yes (other than the few people who are barred from working with children / vulnerable adults) - from memory, we didn't used to have access to 'list 99' which is now rolled in to DBS checking, on the basis that taxi drivers weren't going to be working directly in schools.
if vehicle has licence plate attached, then it's OK - there isn't a national legal requirement for taxis / private hire to carry any more than that (although local licensing authorities can require additional signage, and often in ways that make it more clear which is a hackney carriage (can be hailed on the street or on taxi rank) or private hire (must be pre-booked.)
if a genuine taxi / private hire company is sending out unlicensed vehicles then a call to the local council is called for...
equationgirl
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AnnO'Neemus I only use black cabs for the most part, I would never use an Uber as I far as I am aware they do not have to be licensed in the same way or have passed a DBS check.
There have been too many cases of rapists using minicabs etc as a way of finding women to rape. There was even one guy when I lived in Edinburgh many years ago who used to cruise the streets in a black cab he had obtained, preying on women who thought they were safe. He was caught eventually iirc.
There have been too many cases of rapists using minicabs etc as a way of finding women to rape. There was even one guy when I lived in Edinburgh many years ago who used to cruise the streets in a black cab he had obtained, preying on women who thought they were safe. He was caught eventually iirc.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Prince Andrew accused of ‘victim blaming’ over tactics in sex assault trial
Experts have called the move one of ‘the lowest forms of tactics that can be used’
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Too fucking right
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