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They've basically allowed themselves to be played for mugs by Johnson and his massive ego.

At least the anonymous ERG member seems to have realised this, however belatedly.
 
Ax^ said:
tbf with his history would you believe he pulled out of anything
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the 2016 tory leadership contest?

with a 1 / 2 pull out rate prior to this one, I really don't see how so many MPs are surprised he's made it 2 / 3 now.
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andysays said:
They've basically allowed themselves to be played for mugs by Johnson and his massive ego.

At least the anonymous ERG member seems to have realised this, however belatedly.
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I don't really get this argument. Surely johnson wanted to be PM again and there's no way he'd allow himself to be just a (kind of) stalking horse. The line that he played the party and wanted to deliver sunak as PM seems just about about the last thing he would do. The one constant with johnson is putting himself before party or country. I think he wanted the job, thought he'd win with the members, but may not have got the 100. Even if he did, he was seeing the way his former supporters were peeling off to sunak, so he knew that even if he won, he'd be back to square one. PM but lacking support from his MPs. I think the reality of the standards committee stuff was also in the mix - he knew about if before but it became real, with MPs shouting it back at him.

tldt? He wasn't playing the party, he was a shithouse.
 
Wilf said:
I don't really get this argument. Surely johnson wanted to be PM again and there's no way he'd allow himself to be just a (kind of) stalking horse. The line that he played the party and wanted to deliver sunak as PM seems just about about the last thing he would do. The one constant with johnson is putting himself before party or country. I think he wanted the job, thought he'd win with the members, but may not have got the 100. Even if he did, he was seeing the way his former supporters were peeling off to sunak, so he knew that even if he won, he'd be back to square one. PM but lacking support from his MPs. I think the reality of the standards committee stuff was also in the mix - he knew about if before but it became real, with MPs shouting it back at him.

tldt? He wasn't playing the party, he was a shithouse.
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Quite right. The idea he has played anyone is idiotic. He’s just failed (again) and really fucked off the people who can put him back in office again. He’s completely shot himself in the foot.
 
I agree that he wanted to be PM again, and possibly even believed that he could achieve it, but it should really have been clear to anyone else, including however many Tory MPs were genuinely prepared to back him, that he was already a busted flush.

So if anyone is now complaining that the right of the party failed to find a serious candidate because they thought Johnson could become leader, they have essentially allowed his over inflated idea of his own worth to lead them to back a loser, who eventually bottled it when it became clear he would get the necessary 100 nominations.
 
andysays said:
I agree that he wanted to be PM again, and possibly even believed that he could achieve it, but it should really have been clear to anyone else, including however many Tory MPs were genuinely prepared to back him, that he was already a busted flush.

So if anyone is now complaining that the right of the party failed to find a serious candidate because they thought Johnson could become leader, they have essentially allowed his over inflated idea of his own worth to lead them to back a loser, who eventually bottled it when it became clear he would get the necessary 100 nominations.
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Possibly as he's been abroad for however many months before now and didn't grasp the mood in the parliamentary tory party.

He'd probably only been in contact with his allies so would have a skewed idea of what was going on
 
Wilf said:
I don't really get this argument. Surely johnson wanted to be PM again and there's no way he'd allow himself to be just a (kind of) stalking horse.
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dunno.

would he really want to take responsibility for the current multishambles?

being in position of power is his thing, actually having to do things / take responsibility seems less so.

would it be better for him* to ride up on a white horse after the tories lose the 2024-ish election then stand a chance of winning in 2028/9 after 4 or 5 years of him and the press blaming labour for whatever they do to deal with the situation they inherit?

* - this purely from the perspective of that twat johnson's ego rather than indicating any support for him in particular or the tories in general
 
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There's a story on the BBC website ATM where Graham Brady says that Johnson did have enough nominations to go forward, he just decided not to.

I confess to being surprised by this, because as I posted here, I was pretty sure he hadn't managed to get the support he needed.

I'm also slightly surprised that Brady has made the fact public.
 
andysays said:
There's a story on the BBC website ATM where Graham Brady says that Johnson did have enough nominations to go forward, he just decided not to.

I confess to being surprised by this, because as I posted here, I was pretty sure he hadn't managed to get the support he needed.

I'm also slightly surprised that Brady has made the fact public.
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My guess is that he got leaned on. HARD. Probably with a promise of some bauble or another - a peerage, perhaps? That'd work well for him, card-carrying solipsistic narcissist that he is.
 
Johnson is only ever in anything for Johnson. His image as a "winner" matters to him, so the only reasons I can come up with for not putting himself in the frame are either (a) he knows that he could be brought down again by a divided party where 2/3 of the MPs don't support him, or (b) the Tories have no hope of winning the next election even with him in the hot seat.

Both of these things prick his over-inflated ego, so there's that at least.
 
existentialist said:
My guess is that he got leaned on. HARD. Probably with a promise of some bauble or another - a peerage, perhaps? That'd work well for him, card-carrying solipsistic narcissist that he is.
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I think he expected to walk it but didn’t, can’t dent the mythos he’s the chosen one.

Despite appearances the tousled cunt is quite good at hedging his bets and reading the room when it comes to his supporters and base he courts.


Another year or so and he’d have walked it but truss imploded to soon and to spectacularly
 
existentialist said:
My guess is that he got leaned on. HARD. Probably with a promise of some bauble or another - a peerage, perhaps? That'd work well for him, card-carrying solipsistic narcissist that he is.
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Someone probably just reminded him that he'd face endless rebellions in parliament and would effectively be prevented from doing anything.
 
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