Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Yes. He doesn't trigger his caps lock key through frothing stupidity. He can spell. He can punctuate, and he makes sense. Urban is the wrong place for him.
Plane Stupid shut down Stansted Airport
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Yes. He doesn't trigger his caps lock key through frothing stupidity. He can spell. He can punctuate, and he makes sense. Urban is the wrong place for him.
cantsin
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That's really gonna save the planet.
it's mind boggling ...where do this lot come from ?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
That logic doesnt quite work.
An airport that has 100 incoming flights a day needs a runway. Guess how many runways it needs if only one flight a day arrives!
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Maybe, but rather a hypocritical position dontya think.
"Its OK for me to fly away ojn my holidays, but dont all go getting the idea thats its Ok cos I'm gonna stop anymore runways being built"
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Dear Tom
After 10 pages of pure liberal twaddle from you re: those poor, poor folks on the BNP list last time, you gaily asked 'whats Redwatch' , and I realised I'd just wasted another two hours of my pitiful life - so you talk mushroom packaging and letter writing campaigns with your pals, I'm off to see if there's a Corry repeat on or something
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Frog; I agree it's hard on the sort of people you're talking about but what do you suggest as an alternative? When the chips are down the govt. only listens to the business lobby on decisions like these. You're just whistling in the wind if you think anything else.
No I actually pointed out that there was CHILDREN on the list and I thought that was out of order incase somebody did something stupid. I wasn't aware that kdis could choice their parents political ideologies anymroe then they could choose to be indoctrinated in some loads of religious crap their parents adhere to.
I suppose it was OK publishing the kids names though eh? I suppose they fucking deserve it if they get a brick through the window and get hurt....
Yes I wasn't familiar with the site as I don't generally go around looking at far right website dedicated to kicking the shit out of people.
These people are blatantly cunts, my point on the BNP threads was, is why haven't these groups been banned in the same way as a terrorist organisation would be?
What the fuck are you on about, I was responding to one comment on here, which had nothing to do with letter writing campaigns, or mushrooms.
I see you couldn't respond to the post so you have decided to ignore it and quote something else from the thread, just like you took my original post out of context....
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Target government & business.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Target government and business, you are guaranteed to lose popular support through actions like this. targetting customers going to an airport is a lot different to shutting down a petrol station or a starbucks or occupying an office.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
( takes deep breath ) that was business they were targetting , all customer facing business have customers, who will often get inconvenienced , you know this , surely -
just like during the Anti apartheid struggle, some customers of barclays bank in this country may have been incovenienced when there were pickets outside , or during the poll tax protests , shoppers in the west end were inconveninced when it got torn to bits ( and indeed the punters in South Africa Airways on regents Street looked a bit inconvenienced when the bins were launched thru the windows ) . or during Wapping..... etc etc ad infinitum , throughout history ( does this really need pointing out ?? )
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Ryan Air ,the airline with the most arrogant , greedy , stupid 'Climate Change Sceptic ' CEO imaginable , was directly targetted and hit by this action- do you accept and understand this ? It's very , very simple stuff
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
They are targetting business Froggy, as cantsin's just pointed out. As for targetting government - chance would be a fine thing. You can't get near Westminster now and Blair ignored over 1 million marchers against the Iraq war in February 2003.
Wrong - it only actually listens to those who can be bothered to register to vote.
Wastrels who don't register don't count.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Ryanair = business ? maybe ? just ?
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
They weren't completely indiscriminate. They chose a Monday morning in term time to stage their protest - that's probably the closest you can get to targetting only the business trips and frequent flyers.
Still, they will have made some other people miss out too, and they'll probably have been completely alienated from the protesters' cause now.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I tell you what, you could post in capitals, take deep breaths to patronise people, and call people trolls, but that doesn't disguise the fact that you are missing the point.
I've posted several times in this thread about this. If the liberal hippies can hit just frequent flyers or business class passengers, then fine, I'd support them in disrupting flights. But since they can't, they are only pissing off possible supporters.
If they want to hit BAA or Ryanair, they can do that without directly disrupting ordinary people. Occupying offices, for example.
70% of energy use in the UK is the responsibility of industry/business. The type of action taken today looks like it is blaming individuals for that. It comes across as puritan zealots who want to impose a zero carbon lifestyle on everyone, in the way they see fit.
The government acts as if it wants their targets to be met purely from the 30% of non business use. That's impossible and stupid. But the kind of action taken today looks like it is also blaming individuals. Bad people who fly in planes.
It is frankly a class-blind analysis that sees this issue as one purely for individual responsibility. Yes, as I've said, individuals do need to take responsibility for their own behaviour. But we can Reduce Reuse Recycle until we're green in the face, but if the 70% carry on the way they are, the arithmetic won't stack up.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Say you were targeting Lidl, would you do that by chucking food out of shoppers' trolleys?
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
They are targetting business Froggy, as cantsin's just pointed out. As for targetting government - chance would be a fine thing. You can't get near Westminster now and Blair ignored over 1 million marchers against the Iraq war
in February 2003.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
They are directly targeting the business' customers, not all of whom will be frequent flyers.
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
They only listen to voters in swing seats. If you're not Worcester Woman or Basildon Man, forget it.
Also, the government's got no way of knowing who out of 1 million marchers against the Iraq war was registered to vote.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
"class blind " ????- this was an attack on Big Business , Ryan Airs business in particular - that's fact , but of course some consumers get inconvenienced , but as argued above, some consumers / big business customers will always get incovenienced in campaigns against big business -
if the airline strikers came out , would that also be inconveniencing working class customers ? what about wapping , did that inconvenience w/c sun readers ?the miners strike ? etc etc
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
True, but what do you suggest as an alternative?
i had a look at the Plain Stupid website to see if they had set out the objectives of their protest but the only one objective i found said that they were hoping to stop carbon dumping during the period of their protest.
are they completely oblivious to the bigger picture?
are they completely oblivious to the bigger picture?
they are doing more harm than good.
it doesn't matter if there is no better alternative because they are still doing more harm than good.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It was directed specifically at customers.
A strike is a different thing altogether. First, working class solidarity is paramount, so no decent worker would scab. Second, the inconvenience wasn't a by-product of this action, it was the purpose of the action. And third, it was targeted at flyers, thereby blaming the individuals and not the business. And fourth, the stated aim was publicity, not the withdrawal of labour to further the interests of the workforce.
I've given suggestions in the thread. How about occupying or blockading offices?Meltingpot said:
Quick Google gives me these:
Ryanair
Corporate Head Office
Dublin Airport
Co Dublin
Ireland
+353 18121212 Head Office, Dublin, Eire; Fax: +353 18121213
RYANAIR UK LIMITED
SATELITE 3
LONDON STANSTED AIRPORT
STANSTED
ESSEX CM24 1RW
Company No. 01917579
Maps to BAA offices:
Link: http://tinyurl.com/5k376e
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Undemocratic. They should write a strongly worded letter to their MP's.
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