Plane Stupid shut down Stansted Airport

[DotCommunist]

personally I'm all for an action that raises this issue, but I'm dubious as to it's effectiveness. I think we're already fucked and the only satisfaction to be gained from the coming bad wind will be the look of dumb stupidity on the faces of those who'll bleat 'why wasn't this prevented'

And I probably won't even get much satisfaction out of that cause I'll be too busy foraging for beans

 

[Bakunin]

Yet they can't come up with a way that is a) legal and b) doesn't inconvenience innocent people?

How do you know I'm not involved in any way against any causes? How do you know I don't protest against anything? How do you know that I don't go out and unite with others who feel the same about certain cause(s) on a regular basis? You don't.

They're not activists, they're criminals. Or at least they will be once they get a record for criminal damage, trespass and whatever else the law provides for dealing with these situations?

So, you may or may not be an activist (which personally I doubt very much) and yet you don't seem to have the first clue about direct action, how it works, how it's planned and how it's carried out and why. You're also prepared to side with the State against (again, I doubt very much that you are really an activist) fellow activists and label them as 'criminals' simply because their methods don't coincide with your own (if indeed you have any experience as an activist, that is).

Interesting.

Come to think of it, and seeing as you're so happy to sneer and snipe at Plane Stupid and their chosen methods, perhaps you'd care to come up with alternatives that might have some slim or even tiny chance of actually working.

 

[Cobbles]

And the activists concerned, who are far from wannabe's and unlike you, actually get out from behind their keyboards and try to make a difference, have every right to pursue their chosen cause and course of action given the wilful and deliberate footdragging from the political and corporate interests who should be making vast efforts to resolve the issue themselves and not have to be forced into it.

Thankfully, the state has every right to pursue them with the full vigour of the legal process so thankfully this pool of spotty adolescents will soon disappear.

If they wish to protest, then they should write to their MP or, heavens forfend, register to vote and engage in the democratic process - maybe not as that'd mean they'd have to pay Council Tax and actually make a contribution to society.

 

[ajdown]

I'll be too busy foraging for beans

No need, aisle 3 next to the spaghetti hoops.

 

[cantsin]

Yet they can't come up with a way that is a) legal and b) doesn't inconvenience innocent people?

How do you know I'm not involved in any way against any causes? How do you know I don't protest against anything? How do you know that I don't go out and unite with others who feel the same about certain cause(s) on a regular basis? You don't.

They're not activists, they're criminals. Or at least they will be once they get a record for criminal damage, trespass and whatever else the law provides for dealing with these situations?

damn you're right - and no other protest movement , anywhere, has been declared criminals by the state and gone on to serve any useful role in changing the way the course of history unfurls - time for a rethink , deffo

 

[ajdown]

So, you may or may not be an activist (which personally I doubt very much)

Feel free to doubt. You'd be wrong though. No, I'm not going to share details here.

Come to think of it, and seeing as you're so happy to sneer and snipe at Plane Stupid and their chosen methods, perhaps you'd care to come up with alternatives that might have some slim or even tiny chance of actually working.

Stop selling mushrooms at supermarkets in plastic shrinkwrapped trays, but use paper bags instead. Less wasteful packaging means less landfill, and the bag is recyclable.

 

[Bakunin]

Thankfully, the state has every right to pursue them with the full vigour of the legal process so thankfully this pool of spotty adolescents will soon disappear.

If they wish to protest, then they should write to their MP or, heavens forfend, register to vote and engage in the democratic process - maybe not as that'd mean they'd have to pay Council Tax and actually make a contribution to society.

I wouldn't count on us disappearing any time soon. We're in this for the long haul (no pun intended) and we're not going to be just packing up and going away until the job's done and dusted, thanks.

And if you'd actually read the thread properly, and had any inkling of knowledge about the issue, you'd know that the approach you suggest has long since been tried and is a proven failure.

 

[elbows]

No need, aisle 3 next to the spaghetti hoops.

I hope Im nowhere near people like you when your reality cheque finally bounces.

 

[DotCommunist]

I hope Im nowhere near people like you when your reality cheque finally bounces.

you won't be, he'll no doubt perish when the urban centres go vicious and disease ridden, or crushed in a food riot.

 

[cantsin]

Feel free to doubt. You'd be wrong though. No, I'm not going to share details here.



Stop selling mushrooms at supermarkets in plastic shrinkwrapped trays, but use paper bags instead. Less wasteful packaging means less landfill, and the bag is recyclable.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah -

 

[ajdown]

Sixteen years in the Scouts taught me a few survival skills, and no doubt I'd last a lot longer than some round here whose only concern will be how to grow cannabis without electricity to power their hydroponics units.

 

[DotCommunist]

Sixteen years in the Scouts taught me a few survival skills, and no doubt I'd last a lot longer than some round here whose only concern will be how to grow cannabis without electricity to power their hydroponics units.

 

[Cobbles]

I wouldn't count on us disappearing any time soon. We're in this for the long haul (no pun intended) and we're not going to be just packing up and going away until the job's done and dusted, thanks.

And if you'd actually read the thread properly, and had any inkling of knowledge about the issue, you'd know that the approach you suggest has long since been tried and is a proven failure.

Now let me see - what was it - 4,000 folk decided to have a wee march in London at the week-end - representing the huuuuuuuuuge breadth and depth of interest in the topic of "climate change".

Back in 2002, 400,000 marched in support of the Countryside Alliance so the maintenance of the right to hunt animals on horseack is clearly a lot more important.

 

[frogwoman]

to be honest, if i needed to fly back for a funeral, or if this was the first holiday i'd had in years, or one of the on,y times i'd been aborad, i would be extremely pissed off.
i have no sympathy with these kinds of protests tbh, they just come across as utterly selfish twats trying to prove a point.

dont get me wrong, i sympathise with their aims, but i also think this type of action is completely counterproductive.

 

[danny la rouge]

In your opinion that's what they are. That doesn't necessarily make it a fact.

You're right. All of who disagree with you are trolls, and the only people doing anything are the liberal hippies. Sorry, fearless protesters.

 

[ajdown]

Sorry, fearless protesters.

Activist Lily Kember, 21, a third-year anthropology student at Edinburgh University, said the group used bolt-cutters to get into a secure area around 55 yards (50m) from the runway.

Ms Kember, from London, said: "Being arrested is a terrifying prospect, but not nearly as terrifying as the threat of climate change."

Not quite fearless then.

 

[Bakunin]

You're right. All of who disagree with you are trolls, and the only people doing anything are the liberal hippies. Sorry, fearless protesters.

I said there were some trolls on this thread, and was referring to the likes of ajdown and cobbles who haven't managed a meaningful contribution between them so far.

I did not say that everybody who disagreed with me was a troll and that the only people doing anything were the liberal hippies.

So don't put words in my mouth and make out that I've said things I haven't.

 

[cantsin]

to be honest, if i needed to fly back for a funeral, or if this was the first holiday i'd had in years, or one of the on,y times i'd been aborad, i would be extremely pissed off.
i have no sympathy with these kinds of protests tbh, they just come across as utterly selfish twats trying to prove a point.

dont get me wrong, i sympathise with their aims, but i also think this type of action is completely counterproductive.

unbeleivable

is this is a spoof post ? "utterly selfish " ???? lolol

 

[elbows]

unbeleivable

is this is a spoof post ? "utterly selfish " ???? lolol

I find it interesting to compare those sorts of opinions on this thread, with a lot of people's attitudes towards the fuel price protests. Lots of people were disrupted by those, but many didnt seem to mind, because the prize was slightly cheaper petrol.

Oh its funny, especially as even the governments own carbon reduction targets clearly show we are in for far more radical disruption to our lives than anything Plane Stupid will be able to pull off.

 

[ajdown]

I said there were some trolls on this thread, and was referring to the likes of ajdown and cobbles who haven't managed a meaningful contribution between them so far.

Only because you disagree with what we're saying, that's all that makes it unmeaningful and trolling in your eyes.

At least this Lily Kember - who I've just found on Facebook, has ruined her future employment prospects by being identified as a 'spokesperson'.

I bet you she didn't travel from Edinburgh (where she lives, according to news reports) to university in London, by bicycle. I'd love to have a look at her passport and see where she's been overseas for holidays for the last 5 years. I bet more than one involved flying.

 

[Maggot]

Come to think of it, and seeing as you're so happy to sneer and snipe at Plane Stupid and their chosen methods, perhaps you'd care to come up with alternatives that might have some slim or even tiny chance of actually working.

Stop selling mushrooms at supermarkets in plastic shrinkwrapped trays, but use paper bags instead. Less wasteful packaging means less landfill, and the bag is recyclable.

That's really gonna save the planet.

 

[Bakunin]

Only because you disagree with what we're saying, that's all that makes it unmeaningful and trolling in your eyes.

At least this Lily Kember - who I've just found on Facebook, has ruined her future employment prospects by being identified as a 'spokesperson'.

I bet you she didn't travel from Edinburgh (where she lives, according to news reports) to university in London, by bicycle. I'd love to have a look at her passport and see where she's been overseas for holidays for the last 5 years. I bet more than one involved flying.

You're a liar, ajdown, a liar. I've made it quite clear that I think you're trolling this thread and your posts would bear that out. Your suggestion that I'm only calling you a troll because you disagree with me is abject bullshit of the lowest order.

And as you're so interested in Lily Kember, why don't you ask her about those things?

 

[Maggot]

I bet you she didn't travel from Edinburgh (where she lives, according to news reports) to university in London, by bicycle. I'd love to have a look at her passport and see where she's been overseas for holidays for the last 5 years. I bet more than one involved flying.

There's a big difference between not wanting any new runways built, and being totally against flying altogether.

 

[Cobbles]

There's a big difference between not wanting any new runways built, and being totally against flying altogether.

I know - it's totally pointless trying to get to an eco-fest in Bali by hempen sandal power alone.

 

[TomPaine]

In my first post I said if they can target only frequent flyers and business class then fair enough.

Was thinking about the comment made above, and I'm not sure this would be a good idea either. I know plenty of small business owners who take flights (siometimes business class if they can afford it as you can wrote the Tax off). Punishing people like this who are just getting on and doing their thing seems wrong to me.
A small firm that hires a few people but needs to travel is in my opinion far less of a threat to the environment then China's industrial base.
Up until this year my missus and I where frequent fliers (should have got some points). We had little chocie as I was waiting for my visa to be processed and I couldn't move to the US until it came through, so we where forced for over a year to travel to see each other. Considering I only got to see her once every three months, I'd have been fucked off if had been me.
What with us being in a recession as well, we hardly want to me shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[Cobbles]

A small firm that hires a few people but needs to travel is in my opinion far less of a threat to the environment then China's industrial base.

Nice point - let's see some of these fearsome eco-warriors chain themselves to the controls of a Lignite fuelled power station in rural China.That'd thin their ranks gratifyingly.

 

[smokedout]

Stop selling mushrooms at supermarkets in plastic shrinkwrapped trays, but use paper bags instead. Less wasteful packaging means less landfill, and the bag is recyclable.

thank god, the world is saved

 

[danny la rouge]

So don't put words in my mouth and make out that I've said things I haven't.

No, you're right. I got you mixed up with catsin. (Quoted below). Apologies.

However, I wasn't saying you called the protesters liberal hippies; hat was all my work. I'm calling them that.

luckily NO ONE is sitting around waiting for little keyboard whingers like you and the other trolls in this thread to decide what is and isn';t legitimate action - they're getting on and doing it, cos yime is running out - you just spout hot air pal , and are very much part of the problem , never part of the solution .

I rarely come on this site anymore cos of the amount of timewasters like you now on here - so I suppose you're acheiving something

unbeleivable

is this is a spoof post ? "utterly selfish " ???? lolol

No, it's a serious post, and one I agree with. What is your issue wth that view?

 

[Bakunin]

No, you're right. I got you mixed up with catsin. (Quoted below). Apologies.

However, I wasn't saying you called the protesters liberal hippies; hat was all my work. I'm calling them that.

Fair do's, no problem.

 

[cantsin]

Was thinking about the comment made above, and I'm not sure this would be a good idea either. I know plenty of small business owners who take flights (siometimes business class if they can afford it as you can wrote the Tax off). Punishing people like this who are just getting on and doing their thing seems wrong to me.
A small firm that hires a few people but needs to travel is in my opinion far less of a threat to the environment then China's industrial base.
Up until this year my missus and I where frequent fliers (should have got some points). We had little chocie as I was waiting for my visa to be processed and I couldn't move to the US until it came through, so we where forced for over a year to travel to see each other. Considering I only got to see her once every three months, I'd have been fucked off if had been me.
What with us being in a recession as well, we hardly want to me shooting ourselves in the foot.

oh here we go , it's the full house now , the muppet brigade in full throttle - IT AINT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR MISSUS AND SMALL BUSINESSes AND 'WHAT IF SOMEONE WAS GETTING MARRIED'/ WHAT IF .....YOU WIFFLING POLTROONS, - it's juuuuuust a little bit bigger than that now.

there MUST be somewhere else for this lot surely ???