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Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion

Oh dear. This doesn't look good...never thought the Pre would sell anywhere near the iPhone but thought it might hold it's own.

Carphone Warehouse is giving away two free airline tickets to anyone who buys a Palm Pre before the end of January as speculation increases that sales of the mobile phone, seen as the closest competitor to Apple's iPhone have fallen far short of expectations.

Mobile phone network O2, which offers the Palm Pre under an exclusive deal in the UK, is believed to have mountains of unsold phones.
 
How on earth can it be reasonably expected to 'hold its own' against a company twenty times its size and one with an advertising budget and brand awareness that completely dwarfs its efforts?

Most people in the UK have never even heard of Palm.
 
i'm in the market for a new smartphone. i've had 2 iPhones, which overall are pretty good but the reliability just isn't there. the browser crashes quite a bit and the mail app doesn't always alert me of new messages. there was one time where it spontaneously deleted all my text messages as well. nice..

thing is, i'm a mac user and will want to be using my phone as a music player as well (i use iTunes).

at work we have an exchange server but i'll also want to use it to sync my personal contacts and calendars over the air as well (mobileme at the moment, but apparently google do the same thing for free?).

basically what i use on my phone is email, calendars, messaging, web browsing and a bit of facebook and twitter. the lack of apps in the palm catalogue doesn't really bother me too much as i don't want to play games or have an app on my phone that simulates drinking a pint or whatever.

really unsure what to do!

blackberrys are out as i really hate their UI. looks about 10 years behind apple or palm.
 
The Google over the air push sync works really well for me on the iPhone.

The issue you might have though is that it uses the one available 'slot' for Exchange based syncing, so you can't use it alongside syncing to, say, your office Exchange.
 
really unsure what to do!

blackberrys are out as i really hate their UI. looks about 10 years behind apple or palm.

My blackberry 9700 is brilliant. I don't give a fuck that the interface looks a little dated - it just works. My only complaint is the lack of a decent web browser.
 
The Google over the air push sync works really well for me on the iPhone.

The issue you might have though is that it uses the one available 'slot' for Exchange based syncing, so you can't use it alongside syncing to, say, your office Exchange.

i know - i've found this on my iPhone and its a pain.


can the pre handle more than one exchange account?
 
i know - i've found this on my iPhone and its a pain.


can the pre handle more than one exchange account?

I could be wrong but to connect to Exchange like that you have to negotiate a licence from Microsoft. Two concurrent connections would I assume cost more.
 
How long is the battery life?

Even if you reduce the screen brightness it'll be about two days max. The minute you install aps and start using the email, you will get a day. I carry around a cable and plug it into the office, home or my gf's machine to charge it.
 
The battery on my blackberry is brilliant. If I watch out for battery usage, I get around a week of charge. Usually I listen to music, use the internet and a few apps, so I get around 2 - 3 days.

That's incredible for a smartphone. Pre and iphone can't get near that, wonder how RIM do it.
 
According to the Blackberry website:

Battery & Battery Life (of the Blackberry 9700)

* Battery: 1500 mAh removable/rechargeable cryptographic Lithium cell
* Talk Time: Up to 6 hours (GSM and UMTS)
* Standby Time: Up to 21 days/504 hours (GSM), Up to 17 days/408 hours (UMTS)
* Music Playback Time: Up to 38 hours

That's probably correct, but I use Wi-fi for UMA calls at home, so it'll use up way more power.
 
That's incredible for a smartphone. Pre and iphone can't get near that, wonder how RIM do it.

It's no mystery, the BB is a great emailer but still a very low tech phone, no touch screen, small screen area, no apps that really push the phone and also no 3G...
 
According to the Blackberry website:

Battery & Battery Life (of the Blackberry 9700)

* Battery: 1500 mAh removable/rechargeable cryptographic Lithium cell
* Talk Time: Up to 6 hours (GSM and UMTS)
* Standby Time: Up to 21 days/504 hours (GSM), Up to 17 days/408 hours (UMTS)
* Music Playback Time: Up to 38 hours

That's probably correct, but I use Wi-fi for UMA calls at home, so it'll use up way more power.

WiFi is lower power than cellular. ;)
 
It's no mystery, the BB is a great emailer but still a very low tech phone, no touch screen, small screen area, no apps that really push the phone and also no 3G...

Mines got 3G and Wi-fi. There are quite a few apps around now with 3D games coming soon (obviously nowhere near as many as the iPhone though), and while the screen is only 2.4", it's also higher resolution than the iPhone and Palm Pre.
 
Bloody hell after hearing stories of good battery life I may be tempted to ditch the iPhone. Sometimes I wish I could use a phone as a "dedicated talking to people device", like I used to and not for the net, emails, photos, sms, music, PDA...
 
Bloody hell after hearing stories of good battery life I may be tempted to ditch the iPhone. Sometimes I wish I could use a phone as a "dedicated talking to people device", like I used to and not for the net, emails, photos, sms, music, PDA...
I wanted it all, but didn't care about apps, so went for the blackberry. It's great so far, but I'm desperate for them to release the WebKit browser, so we can get some Palm Pre/iPhone style browsing.
 
After 2 and a half days of use (facebook, browser, third party rss reader, text, email and a few short calls), I'm at 75% of battery.
 
Blackberry make great business handsets, but they lag miles behind when it comes to fun stuff. I'm never going to go back to a non-touchscreen phone.
 
Having an optical touchpad is like having a laptop trackpad. I haven't really missed not having a touch screen yet. Especially because I can use my mobile with my gloves still on.
 
Having an optical touchpad is like having a laptop trackpad. I haven't really missed not having a touch screen yet. Especially because I can use my mobile with my gloves still on.

So can I, its one of the few advantages of resistive touch screens.
 
After 2 and a half days of use (facebook, browser, third party rss reader, text, email and a few short calls), I'm at 75% of battery.

Do you have time usage stats on your phone? If so, it be good to post up the numbers, having been reset after a full charge.
 
Can't find any usage stats.

Since yesterday, I've made a couple of short calls, sent about a dozen texts, watch a couple of videos on YouTube, spent about 20 minutes browsing the net, and installed 4 apps. I'm on 50% battery now.
 
Someone's got to advertise them to the consumer. With all the iPhone, Palm Pre and Android talk, the techies keep forgetting about the other alternative... :p
 
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