Different antenna design, different radio receiver chip.
Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion
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Different antenna design, different radio receiver chip.
Possibly. You'd need a more scientific test to say for sure.
(e2a: Comparing 'Bars' alone isn't sufficient. There is no standard for number of bars, vs. signal. Rendering speed is also problematic. Different processors, different compilations of the Web Kit renderer - from anecdotal reports, I suspect the Pre renders faster. A bandwidth test would probably be the least flawed method of determining effectiveness of the RF receiver system.)
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That could be because you have better coverage where you are. I stood with my iPhone in hand and tested the loading of a web page against the Pre and it was baffling!
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hiraethified
This is handy: £15 gets you a spare battery plus a desktop battery charger so you can keep multiple batteries charged up.
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hiraethified
OK. So here's where the Pre has absolutely blown me away. I just had a call from Pier Gibbons (from these very boards). After the call, I thought I'd save his number, so clicked the '+' icon next to his number and typed in his name.
Immediately, the Pre linked together his Facebook account (and an old contacts entry I'd forgotten about) and added his photo and his email address so I've now got his full profile in my address book. Very impressive.
Immediately, the Pre linked together his Facebook account (and an old contacts entry I'd forgotten about) and added his photo and his email address so I've now got his full profile in my address book. Very impressive.
Piers Gibbon
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and it did all that whilst you got my name wrong - it's magic ;-)
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Its very impressive, but I've been doing that with Touch Flow and WinMo for quite some time now, its a great feature.
Only just released the other day its grabbed everyone's birthdays from Facebook and put them in my Outlook Calendar as well.
cliche guevara
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There is an android app for that, which I had when I first got my Magic. I've since deleted it, and been looking for it for months! To have it native would be great.
My brother bought a pre home form work yesterday, must say I was very impressed it it, was a pleasure to use.
I love my Pre, I would lick it after dropping it in the toilet I would. However what I don't like about my Pre:
- Dialling a number is on permanent loudspeaker. wtf. BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP. Not surprised if I wake up the neighbours.
- Similarly, if I am unfortunately on the phone to someone and at the same time I get a text, dear christ the text alert is also on loudspeaker and one of these days my eardrum won't take it anymore and it will burst.
- There's no autocorrection while texting/emailing. Although the keyboard is much better than my ex iphone/G1, I'm not perfect and I wouldn't mind this little feature.
- Yeah it's great synching my Facebook contacts to my phonebook. However although I like all 300 of my friends, I only really speak on the phone with a fraction of them. That's a lot of needless scrolling Palm.
There's other 'bugs', I'll post them as I recall them. Anyone else have a similar list?
- Dialling a number is on permanent loudspeaker. wtf. BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP. Not surprised if I wake up the neighbours.
- Similarly, if I am unfortunately on the phone to someone and at the same time I get a text, dear christ the text alert is also on loudspeaker and one of these days my eardrum won't take it anymore and it will burst.
- There's no autocorrection while texting/emailing. Although the keyboard is much better than my ex iphone/G1, I'm not perfect and I wouldn't mind this little feature.
- Yeah it's great synching my Facebook contacts to my phonebook. However although I like all 300 of my friends, I only really speak on the phone with a fraction of them. That's a lot of needless scrolling Palm.
There's other 'bugs', I'll post them as I recall them. Anyone else have a similar list?
kazza007
Bunned
I hate the idea of EVERYTHING synching in terms of friends off social network sites and numbers, email addresses, I prefer tings separate, why do manufacturers think that this is a good idea? We don't necessarily communicate with EVERYONE via texts/emails/facespace...some you communicate with more than others, and using one or more medium, and wouldn't like the fact that someone has decided that social networking sites should dominate our lives 
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I don't get why it has to be all or nothing, why can't you choose which contacts from each service you'd like synced?
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hiraethified
For me it's an absolutely brilliant idea and it's proved invaluable already. But then, my Facebook account isn't full of hundreds of people I don't know. The ability to manually link contacts is very useful too.I hate the idea of EVERYTHING synching in terms of friends off social network sites and numbers, email addresses, I prefer tings separate, why do manufacturers think that this is a good idea? We don't necessarily communicate with EVERYONE via texts/emails/facespace...some you communicate with more than others, and using one or more medium, and wouldn't like the fact that someone has decided that social networking sites should dominate our lives
Just turn off the speaker (switch on top) and the dialling is silent.
Why not open the keyboard and start typing the name? You don't even need to have any apps open top start searching.
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hiraethified
Just an update to say I'm still *really* loving my Pre - it makes my Android G1 feel very outdated in terms of performance and interface, and althoughugh we're still waiting on a major system update before the full App Store becomes available, I haven't found myself missing much.
Seems to be doing OK in the States too, where it's now the sixth best selling smartphone.
http://www.precentral.net/pre-moving-world-6-smartphone-q3-2009
Seems to be doing OK in the States too, where it's now the sixth best selling smartphone.
http://www.precentral.net/pre-moving-world-6-smartphone-q3-2009
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hiraethified
Already downloaded and updated!
http://www.wirefresh.com/palm-pre-webos-1-3-1-update-arrives-in-europe-full-feature-listing/
Next stop: the homebrew community!
http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes
I started off using your link above http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes and to be fair it is pretty straightforward. The only confusing bit was with what I referred to above. I did choose the emulator option and there seemed to be no side-effects.
Once you have the software installed called WebOs Quick Install, you actually navigate _within_ it the 3 categories of apps, patches & themes.
Once you have the software installed called WebOs Quick Install, you actually navigate _within_ it the 3 categories of apps, patches & themes.
The choice above only applies if you intend using the "panic button" in webOSquickinstall.
If you download the correct webosdoctor image from palm via the jnlp link, rename it to webosdoctor.jar and drop it in the same directory as webOSquickinstall.jar then you don't get asked.
To get webosdoctor, head to http://palm.com/ROM, tell it your palm is borked, select the correct image (O2 for UK). It will then prompt you for your serial number before letting you download the jnlp file to start the webosdoctor application.
At least this time Palm have made the S/N returned via software the same as the one inside the case
If you download the correct webosdoctor image from palm via the jnlp link, rename it to webosdoctor.jar and drop it in the same directory as webOSquickinstall.jar then you don't get asked.
To get webosdoctor, head to http://palm.com/ROM, tell it your palm is borked, select the correct image (O2 for UK). It will then prompt you for your serial number before letting you download the jnlp file to start the webosdoctor application.
At least this time Palm have made the S/N returned via software the same as the one inside the case
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
That looks pretty shit I must say. I have a minor thing about flash looking dev tools. They are tools, not games.
Its JavaScript. The worst development language ever created. So bad is it that Google have created a tool that takes Java and turns it into JavaScript.
Its JavaScript. The worst development language ever created. So bad is it that Google have created a tool that takes Java and turns it into JavaScript.
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hiraethified
Why is something that makes it easy for less techie types to create apps 'shit'? It's not like most of the mobile phone apps currently created are particularly good or complex. I'd imagine there's loads of people with good ideas but not enough experience of a proper coding environment who may enjoy using this - and the more people having a go at app writing the better, surely?
Heck, even I might give it a go.
Heck, even I might give it a go.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I'd prefer them to put the effort into making a tool worth using rather than making it look pretty. Every single 'pretty' dev tool I have ever used in (gulp) 30 years of using computers has been totally abysmal and so lacking in basic functionality that you nearly immediately hit its limits trying to to do basic stuff.
Its a dev tool, dev tools shouldn't look flash. Look at Visual Studio, its been pretty much the same for 15 years now, has no peer as it does what it does so brilliantly its amazing. Its no beginners tool.
To make the Pre work, its all JS CSS and HTML. So all you need to get started is notepad and a good book on JavaScript and the Pre SDK documentation. No flashy tools required. However much I dislike JS its still a fully (dis) functional language with so many horrible knots in that you need to be really on your game to get it to do what you want reliably.
Its a dev tool, dev tools shouldn't look flash. Look at Visual Studio, its been pretty much the same for 15 years now, has no peer as it does what it does so brilliantly its amazing. Its no beginners tool.
To make the Pre work, its all JS CSS and HTML. So all you need to get started is notepad and a good book on JavaScript and the Pre SDK documentation. No flashy tools required. However much I dislike JS its still a fully (dis) functional language with so many horrible knots in that you need to be really on your game to get it to do what you want reliably.
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hiraethified
I don't understand your argument: tech bods already have the tools to create complex apps, but this tool gives newbies an easier way in, and if they show an aptitude for producing apps, they can just learn more as they go along.
As a consumer, I don't give a shit how an app was made - all I care about is: is it useful/fun/productive.
Me too. In general, the "cooler" they look, the more useless they are.
The Visual Studio example is a good one. And there are parallels outside of coding. Things like Photoshop and Quark XPress do not look "cool". There's no reason they need to.
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