Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion
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Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Oh yeah it's released this Friday, actually forgot! Hmmm been past a few O2 shops recently and not seen any Pre posters in shop windows or instore....
editor
hiraethified
It's strange, because you'd think that with O2 losing exclusivity on the iPhone, they'd be really pushing the one hot phone they do have exclusivity on.
grit
an ugly force for good
They dont have much faith in it. They have other brands that have far better recognition.
editor
hiraethified
That's a bit of a bold statement there, squire.
You do realise that O2 would have had to bid for the right to carry the Pre and will most probably* lose their exclusivity deal if they fail to shift enough units?
(this is how many exclusivity deals work: the network promises enough sales to make it economically viable for the manufacturer to grant sole rights. If they fail to reach those targets, they deal can be negated).
Apparently, O2 TV ads start today, and with Pre shifting over a million units in the States already and early positive sales reports from Germany, I can't see what you're basing your 'no faith' claim on....
grit
an ugly force for good
Dont condescend to me please, there is no need. The no faith comment is in reference to the weak marketing support for launch. Your numbers back up my sentiment seeing has 3GS sold a million units on its launch weekend.
editor
hiraethified
You claimed that O2 "didn't have much faith" in the Pre. Could you explain what you're basing that on, please because the marketing is yet to start.
The sales of the iPhone 3GS are completely irrelevant to your claim.
grit
an ugly force for good
Then so are the Pre numbers to yours
The fact that the marketing hasnt started yet supports my view, this thing goes on sale in 3 days! By your own admission along with several accounts on this thread it actually seems to be something that we all agree on. There has been no big push, O2 feels their marketing budget is better spent elsewhere.
editor
hiraethified
Perhaps Palm/O2's strategy isn't all about generating queues for the launch and they're more interested in long term sales?Then so are the Pre numbers to yours
The fact that the marketing hasnt started yet supports my view, this thing goes on sale in 3 days! By your own admission along with several accounts on this thread it actually seems to be something that we all agree on. There has been no big push, O2 feels their marketing budget is better spent elsewhere.
I must admit to being a bit baffled by O2's exceedingly low key strategy at the moment, but you're way out of line declaring that O2 'doesn't have much faith in the product'. It's way too early to make such a call.
grit
an ugly force for good
editor
hiraethified
It's pretty pointless trying to have an intelligent conversation with you, isn't it? You just make stuff up and then go for the ad hominems.Your good for a laugh I'll give you that
*sigh
grit
an ugly force for good
Explain the concept of what a long term sales strategy is. OF COURSE palm want people lining up on the streets like the iPhone.
Why would they want to delay sales?
editor
hiraethified
So why isn't every single mobile phone launch stage-managed like Apple's iPhone launches?
Go on. Have a little think about it and see what you can come up with.
grit
an ugly force for good
Dont deflect, answer the question, why would you want to delay sales.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
My guess would be there just isn't the intrest. Who get excited about a new nokia with a better camera or another winmo smartphone other then geeks. Its credit to apple they have managed to drum up that level of interest in their product.
grit
an ugly force for good
According to Editor its all part of Palm's masterplan not to sell any phones.
editor
hiraethified
Why do you think Nokia - the world's biggest seller of phones - don't indulge in iPhone style launch events, complete with crash barriers, high fiving staff and massive press hype? Any ideas?
And why on earth do you think that all phones have massive stocks at launch? Your naivety is breathtaking.
You're projecting your own ignorance again.
grit
an ugly force for good
Still failing to answer that one simple question.
Its fun aswell watching you having to resort to answering questions with questions and insulting me rather than answering.
editor
hiraethified
Silly me was thinking you might be able to think for yourself and work it out.
I'm feeling generous so read and learn: Palm aren't 'delaying sales' by having a relatively low key launch because they most likely haven't got enough stocks of the handsets. This is common with new product launches, unless you have the vast budget of a company like Apple.
Therefore a big launch would backfire spectacularly with punters pissed off with the lack of availability and the whole venture would prove a total PR disaster and a colossal waste of Palm's limited budget.
What they do have, however, is a phone that many consider to be a worthy alternative to the iPhone, and that's what's really important at this stage.
Better to sell slow and steady than have a half-cocked launch.
grit
an ugly force for good
No company is going to see selling out of stock at launch as a bad thing FFS.
"Oh noes we made too much money too quickly whatever will we do!"
Same thing happened to the iPhone and it didnt seem to be a issue, ditto for Nintendo's Wii. In fact from a marketing buzz point of view its a good thing. It makes the product more exclusive which gets more attention.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
You're not really comparing like-for-like there. There was no real competition for the iPhone in what it did and how (please don't argue RIM phones can!!) ie, touchscreen etc, ditto the Wii and its 'family' games and controller.
If there's no Pre's available and people want to buy a phone of that ilk they can easily get an iPhone, HTC, Google and Palm will never see their custom.
That said, I find 02's lack of Pre on their website so close to launch as pretty astounding.
If there's no Pre's available and people want to buy a phone of that ilk they can easily get an iPhone, HTC, Google and Palm will never see their custom.
That said, I find 02's lack of Pre on their website so close to launch as pretty astounding.
grit
an ugly force for good
Playstation 3 sold out as well at launch (which had plenty of competition from Xbox) and people didnt suddenly go buy Xbox instead.
Selling products is a good thing. Its the same way you rarely hear web developers complaining about having to scale their services. Scaling problems are good, it means there is more people wanting to give you money than you originally anticipated.
editor
hiraethified
Hello? You're comparing Sony with Palm? . Sony are one of the biggest tech companies on the planet, while Palm are barely heard of in this country - and they've got one shot to get this right.
A half cocked launch which sees no Pre phones available would be the dumbest idea of all. Interested customers looking for the Pre would simply be sold iPhones/Nokias etc.
Well, exactly.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
Sony and Playstation have much bigger brand recognition compared to Palm, people were willing to wait for a delayed console.
Now part of that is Palm's fault, which marketing could have fixed...but in the UK is you asked mobile users to name phone brands I'm willing to bet Palm would come pretty low down - behind Apple, BB, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Samsung...maybe even Motorola
editor
hiraethified
Indeed. I'd imagine most people have no idea that Palm even make phones, or that they're even an active company. When prompted people might remember the Palm Pilot, but it's very rare you'll see a Centro or Treo phone in the UK.Sony and Playstation have much bigger brand recognition compared to Palm, people were willing to wait for a delayed console.
Now part of that is Palm's fault, which marketing could have fixed...but in the UK is you asked mobile users to name phone brands I'm willing to bet Palm would come pretty low down - behind Apple, BB, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Samsung...maybe even Motorola
In the States it's quite a different story, but the company has never enjoyed much brand recognition in the UK and, as you say, they'd probably be one of the last on people's list.
It's simply absurd to try and compare the company with well established, multi national enormo-brands that enjoy a vastly superior market presence here.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I really hope they do well, its nice to see a company making an OS from the ground up and making their own hardware who isn't apple.
I really hope they do well, but doubt I'll buy a Pre, I'd like to see a model with a decent sized screen.
I really hope they do well, but doubt I'll buy a Pre, I'd like to see a model with a decent sized screen.
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