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Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion

Video very cool!
And the openness of the OS seems to be paying dividends in the accelerated speed of apps and tweaks. Has anyone heard any news about an Office suite for Pre. Have realised that is the only other thing I kinda need..
 
Palm have just updated their webOS to 1.2, adding cut, copy, and paste support from the browser and other improvements. Homebrew apps still work fine after the update too.
 
Interesting: according to this, Palm's webOS already commands the same size share as Windows worldwide - and the Palm Pre is yet to be released anywhere but the US.

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http://www.precentral.net/webos-picking-steam-moble-web
 
FYI: the article originally claimed that Palm was laying off employees because the Pre was struggling and the company was "faltering". Then they revised it to say they were laying off employees working on their Windows Mobile division. Then someone pointed out that was because Palm had already announced that they would be stopping all Windows Mobile production. And then Palm made a statement that they weren't laying anyone off at all. Doh!

The Pre is currently #2 in Amazon's best selling list (and also the only handset that is not free in the top five).
 
editor said:
Interesting: according to this, Palm's webOS already commands the same size share as Windows worldwide - and the Palm Pre is yet to be released anywhere but the US.

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http://www.precentral.net/webos-picking-steam-moble-web
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I don't get how the graph was put together. If it was Market Share I'd expect to see WinMo a lot higher, if just because of the number of people who get issued one for work and the length of time its been around.
 
Global_Stoner said:
I don't get how the graph was put together. If it was Market Share I'd expect to see WinMo a lot higher, if just because of the number of people who get issued one for work and the length of time its been around.
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Its just usage figures from an advertising network, shouldnt really be taken seriously.
 
i used a Palm Pre couple days ago.
it was crap.
it was very slow, product finsihing is cheap, took me a while to figure how to go 'back' (by sweeping left from center ball).

i'm well disappointed.
 
Global_Stoner said:
I don't get how the graph was put together. If it was Market Share I'd expect to see WinMo a lot higher, if just because of the number of people who get issued one for work and the length of time its been around.
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It's not tremendously accurate at all.
6_6 said:
i used a Palm Pre couple days ago.
it was crap.
it was very slow, product finsihing is cheap, took me a while to figure how to go 'back' (by sweeping left from center ball).

i'm well disappointed.
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Really? Where did you try it? How many cards did you have open?

I found it to be very fast indeed - waaaaay faster than my Android and easily as speedy as an iPhone. Just about all the reviews I've seen have said much the same too.
 
What did you think of the finish Ed? I found it disappointing TBH but I guess Palm are playing the "get more people to use smartphones" card rather than "replace an iphone" approach. Our IT guys were tempted to get some but the quality/toughness was a real concern as our BlackBerry users are pretty cack-handed :D
 
It's not up to the luxury lines of the iPhone, but I found it pretty well finished - easily as good as my G1 and as good as most phones I've owned. The top line of the keyboard is a bit fiddly, but easy enough to get used to I reckon.

The screen is really superb, btw. Better than the iPhone's IMO.
 
Went into my local o2 shop this morning. I asked whether there would be any demo Pres before the 16th so that I could check it out before the release date. Shop guy said that the demos would be available on the 16th, but to actual purchase one wouldn't be available till about 10 days after :hmm:
 
editor said:
It's not up to the luxury lines of the iPhone, but I found it pretty well finished - easily as good as my G1 and as good as most phones I've owned. The top line of the keyboard is a bit fiddly, but easy enough to get used to I reckon.

The screen is really superb, btw. Better than the iPhone's IMO.
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Agreed on the screen...it is absolutely stunning. The sliding mechanism however I didn't like as much, but that's personal taste, I hate the G1 for the same reason.
 
Well, here's a few ways in which Palm is differentiating itself from Apple:

Welcome news for developers tonight: Palm has just concluded a gathering of developers and journalists to officially introduce their new Developer Relations heads to the community, and made two big announcements to boot.

Firstly, they've announced a new app distribution model that does away with any Big Brother review process. Developers can now upload their applications directly to Palm, who will then return a URL which can be used to access applications directly from the Pre - as simple as that.

The second piece of news is possibly even bigger: if developers choose to make their apps available as free open source, then distribution in the App Catalog will be completely free, with no strings attached. (Developers wishing to sell their apps will still be charged a $99 annual fee for their account, and $50 per paid application in the catalog.)

To cap it all off, every developer in the audience was given a free Pre and Touchstone with a month's free service from Sprint. "Just hack on it," were reportedly Ben Galbraith's words.

Update: Palm have just made the announcement official, also revealing their innovative new auction process for promotional places within the App Catalog. Palm have also delved into more detail on the Developer Network Blog, and a promotional video has been put up here. We've reposted the press release, along with some of the more interesting quotes from the blog, after the jump.

Palm has also announced that they're opening up their analytics from the App Catalog to developers who may be interested in the data, in stark contrast to a certain fruit-named techno-giant which jealously guards this information.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9935/palm-announces-new-no-review-app-catalog-policies/
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In other words, Palm will let developers fully distribute their apps via the web. Developers will submit their apps to Palm, and Palm will return to them a URL that they can then blog, tweet, do whatever they want to share it. When a person then clicks on that URL they can easily install the app, bypassing any kind of store. And while Palm is providing the URL, it is not going to be reviewing the apps in any way.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/0...ee-development-for-open-source-and-free-pres/

Edit to add: the Palm Pixi sure looks lovely. If they shoved on WiFi, I'd prefer it over the Pre.
 
Question aimed at Editor.

As you know the G1 can get unbearable slow and laggy the more apps you install on it. It's gotten to the point where I must keep my android apps to a minimum so that I don't throw the phone against the wall in frustration. This in contrast to the iphone, which I note on a friend's 3G: tons of apps, and no impact on speed.

Which camp does the Pre appear to fall in?
 
sumimasen said:
Question aimed at Editor.

As you know the G1 can get unbearable slow and laggy the more apps you install on it. It's gotten to the point where I must keep my android apps to a minimum so that I don't throw the phone against the wall in frustration. This in contrast to the iphone, which I note on a friend's 3G: tons of apps, and no impact on speed.

Which camp does the Pre appear to fall in?
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I can only give an opinion based on my brief play with the Pre and what I've read in countless reviews and forum chat posts, but the Pre seems to generally be as nippy as the iPhone.

My G1 is driving me up the fucking wall. Can't wait to get rid of it, to be honest.
 
Yeah I was VERY impressed with the G1 at the start, but its battery life and its reaction to lots of apps have wilted my love for it. Glad that there's the Pre to fall back on :D
 
The Android Facebook and MySpace apps - all of 'em - are shit compared to the mobile versions of the websites!
 
Very positive 'first Palm Pre Uk review' in The Times:
Meet the Palm Pre. This is the real deal, a worthy competitor for the iPhone. Beautiful, easy to use, yet able to do complex tasks, without mimicking Apple.

If you prefer typing on a keyboard to glass, you will like it. But if you want to carry thousands of songs on your phone, the iPhone remains the better choice.

If you want something smaller, then get a Pre. If you really like “apps” - additional applications - then stick to an iPhone. The point is, you now have a choice. And therefore a decision to make.

The Pre comes with everything you expect. A decent quality camera (3.2 megapixels), a nice speaker, wi-fi connectivity, 3G (high-speed) mobile internet - all mod cons. But the more you play with it, the more you appreciate the attention to detail.

It has a slide-out qwerty keyboard, which will please converts from BlackBerry. The keys themselves are tiny, but not prohibitive for fast-tapping thumbs. As the screen slides upwards, it does so at a gentle curve, meaning the screen and microphone are both slightly titled towards you.

It is also exceedingly pretty, with a sleek black finish, and looks and feels like a pebble. It is half an inch shorter than an iPhone, which makes it easier to hold.
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http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6863386.ece
 
Has anyone felt the device yet? This video demo says the build quality isn't as good as it should be for a high-end phone.
 
trusted reviews guy really didn't get excited by it

he prefers onscreen keyboards..actually there is one available for the Pre I believe
 
Piers Gibbon said:
trusted reviews guy really didn't get excited by it

he prefers onscreen keyboards..actually there is one available for the Pre I believe
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The proper hardware keyboad is oone of the reasons I'm buying the Pre!

And yes, there is an onscreen keyboard available now (albeit a Homebrew app).
 
Went into my local O2 store today to try and reserve one and was told there hadn't been much interest (the iphone sold out) so I could probably stroll in on Friday lunchtime and just pick one up.
 
manifold said:
Went into my local O2 store today to try and reserve one and was told there hadn't been much interest (the iphone sold out) so I could probably stroll in on Friday lunchtime and just pick one up.
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Was there any promotional material visible? There's precisely zero mention of the Pre in my local Carphone Warehouse and O2's website is just as bad: it's like handset doesn't exist!

http://www.wirefresh.com/o2s-website-spot-the-palm-pre/
 
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