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Sunray;9703444] What was the carrier shown? I am assuming it was the GSM version rather than a CDMA version for demo purposes?[/QUOTE]It was on the O2 network. The phone had a pre production serial etched on it.[QUOTE=hiccup said:
http://www.wirefresh.com/ seem to be broken (I can see the review, no other pages though).
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Eeek! You're right (gets on case!).

Oh, and as for jaed's 'concerns' about the supposedly inappropriate use of the phrase 'hands on', here's another review from the same event.
PlayBite: Hands-on with the UK/GSM Palm Pre

...In fact, the event was in part billed as the first chance for UK journalists to get a hands-on with the Palm Pre...
http://www.last100.com/2009/09/15/playbite-hands-on-with-the-palm-pre/
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:D :D :D
 
I thought it was a good review, well done with the new site!

The only think I was wondering was how many people wrote the article? You've only credited yourself at the top, but refer to "we" throughout the review. :confused:
 
Global_Stoner said:
I thought it was a good review, well done with the new site!

The only think I was wondering was how many people wrote the article? You've only credited yourself at the top, but refer to "we" throughout the review. :confused:
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Thanks for your comments.

It's customary on tech sites (and elsewhere) for reviewers to talk in the third person.
 
Palm have announced their first quarter results and said that the "vast majority" of the 823,000 phones sold were Pres. They're now dropping WM to concentrate on pure webOS development. They're not out of the woods yet either...

Palm just announced its first quarter results -- the first to really include numbers from the Pre -- and they're positive (well, depending on how you look at things), with a $2.8m gross profit on $68m in revenue. Actually, that's a little low, since Palm uses the same sort of subscription accounting for the Pre as Apple does for the iPhone, so the unofficial numbers are higher: $100.6m gross profit on $360.7m in revenue.

Still, we should point out that according to GAAP (you know, the dudes that matter), the outfit had a net loss in fiscal Q1 2010 of $164.5 million, while the non-GAAP net loss was pegged at $13.6 million....
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/palm-announces-first-quarter-results-2-8m-profit-on-68m-reven/
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editor said:
Palm have announced their first quarter results and said that the "vast majority" of the 823,000 phones sold were Pres. They're now dropping WM to concentrate on pure webOS development. They're not out of the woods yet either...
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GAAP stands for Generally Accepted Accounting Practices. The article isn't referring to a company/group called GAAP.
 
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TBH that would make a lot of busines sense. Nokia drop their stuff, take on WebOS and get the combined dev teams working on it to accelerate time to market, plus they make pretty nice handsets in terms of quality.
 
g force said:
TBH that would make a lot of busines sense. Nokia drop their stuff, take on WebOS and get the combined dev teams working on it to accelerate time to market, plus they make pretty nice handsets in terms of quality.
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Probably make more sense for Motorola to take them over... (If they have the cash...)
 
I've not got any knowledge on takeovers or whatnot but as a potential Pre purchaser I'd be relieved if Palm and the webOs got some deeper pockets. Right now they look a bit sickly weakly, there's that scary story in wirefresh about the "guy who does the Pre marketing couldn't be here so I'm filling in and don't really know much". There should be a hot team not just one guy.

It's this kind of way-behindness that scares me away - especially as a Mac user, ending up as a minority of a not-well-supported minority..

I've decided to go with an iPhone for 18 months and see where the Pre is at then

One thing that clinched it for me was this much laughed at slip-on keyboard for the iPhone. I've ordered one and will happily review it for wirefresh when it arrives.

http://itwinge.com/itwinge.html
 
Piers Gibbon said:
One thing that clinched it for me was this much laughed at slip-on keyboard for the iPhone. I've ordered one and will happily review it for wirefresh when it arrives.
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Cheers!

After having a good play with the Pre, I'm happy to wait a few more weeks for its release. Apparently, the app store has been inundated with programs, so there should be a decent selection available when the handset finally gets released.

I've certainly changed my mind about the need for so many apps - after downloading a ton of cutting edge augmented reality apps for my Android phone and installing endless programs, I've realised that most are just pointless fluff, and some are no better than just going to a website.

I'm still missing Bonsai, Note Studio and the Agendus something rotten too.
 
yeah..I'm missing LifeBalance and that's it

it's not that LB is some godlike, irreplaceable program...but shifting all my todos, projects and endless random notes to a new Mac+Pre config is just a step too far right now

btw the thing about the iTwinge is not that you have to use it everytime...but that using is a good transition from real to virtual keyboard..and it builds precise muscle memory that's useful even when it's not there

that's the theory anyway
 
editor said:
It's official: The Palm Pre will be released in the UK in three weeks, on the 13th October.
http://blog.palm.com/palm/2009/09/europe-says-willkommen-failte-and-welcome-to-palm-pre.html

Tariffs here: http://www.o2.co.uk/palmpre They're the same as the 3G 8GB with the same free access to Openzone and The Cloud Wi-Fi hotspots.
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"The webOS phone will be available on 13 October in Germany and on 16 October in the U.K. and Ireland. "
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Surely thats on the 16th...? :confused: Another three days to wait...!
 
jæd said:
Surely thats on the 16th...? :confused: Another three days to wait...!
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Yeah, you're right. I was trying to hastily upload the story onto wirefresh at the same time and that's how mistakes happen, Godammit.

(I would normally insert an embarrassed smiley here, but that pink thing is too dreadful to include)
 
Kid_Eternity said:
What do you think of the pricing?
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The handset's cheap enough (free to £97 is a pretty good launch price for a high end handset) but I fucking hate 18 month contracts and the monthly tariff is higher than I'd like - even if it is slightly sweetened by the unlimited data and free wi-fi.

At least O2 had the sense to price it the same as the older iPhone 3G 8GB - anything higher would have been crazy. I think they would have been better off pricing it slightly under just to give consumers a reason to go with the comparatively unknown Palm.

I guess it'll boil down to the amount advertising they throw at it. The iPhone has had immense advertising recently.
 
sumimasen said:
Considering that on this thread back on the 7th July I guessed £235 for the handset and you guessed £199, and the price is actually £97.... I for one am pretty chuffed.
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I did? Was the pricing just for the handset without tarrif or with tarrif?
 
No way it could've been priced lower than the old iphone from a marketing POV. What kind of impression would that have been, for the brand-new breakthrough Pre to not even be 'worth' as much as the lower-end iphone....
 
Not entirely sure what a 'mindshare' is, but it seems the Pre is punching way above its weight in the US in it:

New study says Palm Pre second only to iPhone 3GS in mindshare

Market research firm Interpret recently made some discoveries about public perception of smartphones that should shock, surprise, and amaze you. The just released report, dubbed "Signature Smartphones: Gaining Mindshare in Order to Gain Market Share," reveals that despite being massively disadvantaged in the marketplace, Palm managed to nab a huge chunk of mindshare with the Pre -- in fact, the report suggests that the Pre is number two only to the iPhone 3GS in the metric.

The study looks at the driving factors behind purchaser's decisions to buy a smartphone, narrowing down the list to three major components: belief that the phone is "smart," belief that the phone is "hip / cool," and belief that the phone will make them more productive. Rating a swath of phones (BlackBerry Curve and Storm, G1, iPhone), the report found that only the iPhone and Pre balanced the three factors in a way in which consumers felt the higher price tags were warranted.

More to the point, only the Pre and the iPhone 3GS managed to strike that balance at all; offerings such as the two BlackBerrys were lopsided. There's not much more meat to the study, though it does shed some interesting light on just how Palm managed to squeeze its way back into the limelight (of course, it doesn't hurt to have a product that's actually kind of cool).


http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/24/new-study-says-palm-pre-second-only-to-iphone-3gs-in-mindshare/
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