Official; Israel most corrupt country in the West

[rachamim18]

Panda: The Shah and his family coopting the glorious ancient past of that vast land has about as much in common as the modern Egyptians claiming the pyraminds and Sphinx as part of their culture...or the "Palestinians" coopting the word "Canaanite." IT is all semantics and has no basis in fact.


"Legislating racism out of existence." I do not know, I had somehow placed you in my minds eye a bit older than you apparently are. Most adults realise that you cannot legislate morality, either side of the fence. Personalisation works wonders as Israel personally learned in the 67 and then 73 Wars. Those two wars did more to unify our nation than any legislation possibly ever could.


By the way, the PA has been making laws going on two decades now and nothing has changed in any regard.It is not a subversive type of racism either, they use the term in everyday language to the blacks' face. Younger blacks have grown up believing it is just a regional affectation for the word "black."


"As an American..." While it is certainly true that I hold dual American citizenship, as a Chaddishe child I had as much in common with America and its peopleas you do. I could not tell you more than a few geographical details of the nation outside of what I have read. Its culture has had no bearing on my life and Baruch Hashem never will.


"Does Rachamim see the irony...?" Being that I am just mastering that paticular word I highly doubt it. Furthermore, if you are suggesting that I denigrate you, I beg to differ.

"On Johhny's data..." Nope...I rely on the Ministry of Absorption and Foreign Ministry data for that summation. I should post it I suppose but as your alter ego Grandma something or other will be the first to crow, she/he gets first dibds so maybe after I post THAT data I will post the others.


GrandmaDeath: First, "Uvda" is not an acronym, no need to render it so. Secondly, has it not been made abundantly cleare to you and yours that that will be some days in the making? Why beat that dead dog of a thought over and over and over? IS this some sick form of superiority complex? Lastly, I am a 40 year old man so leave the boy talk to your pramours and treat me with the civility that I am able to [somehow] still treat you to.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: The Shah and his family coopting the glorious ancient past of that vast land has about as much in common as the modern Egyptians claiming the pyraminds and Sphinx as part of their culture...or the "Palestinians" coopting the word "Canaanite." IT is all semantics and has no basis in fact.

Who mentioned Pahlavi and the other leeches? Not me. They're irrelevant to any point about Iran/Persia.
The fact is that the country was known as "Persia" and it's people as "Persians" for several thousand years, that isn't semantics, it's historical fact.

"Legislating racism out of existence."

Mmmm, again you're "quoting" words I haven't said. In fact that doesn't even encapsulate the essence of what I said, which was:
"One of the ways that racism is removed from everyday behaviour is by legislating against it..."

Don't put words in my mouth.

I do not know, I had somehow placed you in my minds eye a bit older than you apparently are. Most adults realise that you cannot legislate morality, either side of the fence.

Are you the same person who complained about "snide references"?
If so, then can I suggest you're manifesting the psychological phenomenon known as "projection"?
As for "legislating morality". don't be anile, I'm not claiming that you can do so, I'm making the point that if you legislate to make overt racism illegal then most people moderate their behaviour to normative standards.

Personalisation works wonders as Israel personally learned in the 67 and then 73 Wars. Those two wars did more to unify our nation than any legislation possibly ever could.

Thanks for that trite observation.

By the way, the PA has been making laws going on two decades now and nothing has changed in any regard.It is not a subversive type of racism either, they use the term in everyday language to the blacks' face. Younger blacks have grown up believing it is just a regional affectation for the word "black."

For much of that time I recall that the PA was only allowed to legislate in fields permitted by the state of Israel.

"As an American..." While it is certainly true that I hold dual American citizenship, as a Chaddishe child I had as much in common with America and its peopleas you do. I could not tell you more than a few geographical details of the nation outside of what I have read. Its culture has had no bearing on my life and Baruch Hashem never will.

And yet you have made a "big deal" out of your American identity at other times, when it has suited you to do so.

"Does Rachamim see the irony...?" Being that I am just mastering that paticular word I highly doubt it. Furthermore, if you are suggesting that I denigrate you, I beg to differ.

The suggestion is that the methods you employ to attempt to gainsay points made by others, such as your denigration of peoples' knowledge in comparison to your own, your use of unsubstantiated claims etc, makes it ironic for you to say "You also make yourself quite transparent when you use any and all opportunities to denigrate me". You do so yourself and then take offence when others return the compliment,
And please spare me another round of your spurious claims that you never denigrate someone until they've denigrated you.

"On Johhny's data..." Nope...I rely on the Ministry of Absorption and Foreign Ministry data for that summation. I should post it I suppose but as your alter ego Grandma something or other will be the first to crow, she/he gets first dibds so maybe after I post THAT data I will post the others.

I really don't give a rat's arse about your ministry data, because in the context of the claims Johnny made, and which you blindly supported without knowing the detail of his claims, your "data" is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the claimed mass exodus did not occur and is not occurring, unless you claim that the emigration from France to Israel of a volume of Jews more than compensated for by the volume of newborn Jews in France per year constitutes a "mass exodus", a claim not even a moron would make.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You don't remember anything that could show you up for the liar and dissembler that you are..

If I said I remembered it, I'd be lying...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I remember an early encounter with you, where I said that the US economy relies on the culture of death to perpetuate itself. Rather than make a serious point, you called me a "poster child of the far left". You won't remember that either...quelle surprise..

I don't remember that, but it sounds like something I might say.

But I don't think I'd call you a poster child anymore.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You don't remember anything that could show you up for the liar and dissembler that you are.

I remember an early encounter with you, where I said that the US economy relies on the culture of death to perpetuate itself. Rather than make a serious point, you called me a "poster child of the far left". You won't remember that either...quelle surprise.

The only idiot here is you, Johnny. You can't reply to anyone without resorting to frantic googling, large reams of cut and paste; cheap shots or images. You've got the brain of a soggy over-cooked cabbage.

Child eating up yummy cabbage.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

no but an ingrained bashment of all arab culture as backward and inhertently violent is ...

but do continue...

I have no such ingrained bashment.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I really don't give a rat's arse about your ministry data, because in the context of the claims Johnny made, and which you blindly supported without knowing the detail of his claims, your "data" is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the claimed mass exodus did not occur and is not occurring, unless you claim that the emigration from France to Israel of a volume of Jews more than compensated for by the volume of newborn Jews in France per year constitutes a "mass exodus", a claim not even a moron would make.

Now now now...... You're being dishonest.

I never said 'mass exodus'. I said jews were leaving france in increasing numbers.

Here's the op, to refresh your memory.

...........

21-11-2005, 08:44 PM
Johnny Canuck2
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 43,754

The Jewish flight out of France

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http://www.canada.com/national/natio...c-eed3251d0b2e

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...b-9a5fe5fc03fc

French Jews are leaving the country in increasing numbers, due to la crainte, the Fear, brought on by rising antisemitism. The talk in the Jewish community is about the comparisons with the Thirties, and the fate of the jews who didn't get out while the getting was good.

.................................

 

[Lock&Light]

But I don't think I'd call you a poster child anymore.

Why ever not? It's not as if he's grown up any since then!

 

[nino_savatte]

I never said 'mass exodus'. I said jews were leaving france in increasing numbers.

Er, further down the thread you suggest that it's a "flight". Same difference. You also gave the impression that Jews were literally pouring out of the country. Furthermore, you sourced your OP from a single source; an article that was only found in certain right wing and pro-Zionist organs.

Are you a Rapturist, Johnny?

 

[nino_savatte]

Child eating up yummy cabbage.

Another stupid image from a very stupid man.

Are you suggesting that I eat your soggy brain (or what passes for it?)

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't remember that, but it sounds like something I might say.

But I don't think I'd call you a poster child anymore.

I know what I'd call you: a liar and a dissembler; a thick twat who can only reply with images, lyrics and dodgy articles that he's googled.

 

[nino_savatte]

If I said I remembered it, I'd be lying...

You couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it.

 

[Grandma Death]

GrandmaDeath: First, "Uvda" is not an acronym, no need to render it so. Secondly, has it not been made abundantly cleare to you and yours that that will be some days in the making? Why beat that dead dog of a thought over and over and over? IS this some sick form of superiority complex? Lastly, I am a 40 year old man so leave the boy talk to your pramours and treat me with the civility that I am able to [somehow] still treat you to.

Stop waffling and start digging because March 11th is rapidly approaching liar boy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Now now now...... You're being dishonest.

I never said 'mass exodus'. I said jews were leaving france in increasing numbers.

Dishonest?
No, Johnny. Take a look at the title of your thread.
What does it say?
Now correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not, btw), but whenever the word "flight" gets used in the context of a volume of people fleeing, it means pretty much the same thing.


And you had the cheek to tick me off for "word games"!

 

[rachamim18]

Panda: Actually, since you wish to quibble, "Persia" and "Persians" are not Farsi words but English renditions so that should shut your nonsense down [one can hope anyway].


"Not putting words in Panda's mouth." No just paraphrasing the meaning to a tee. Talk about asnal retentive. What IS your problem? Does it not carry the same, exact meaning? Or were you aiming at something else? If so, then clear it up, be specific. Playing word games has its place but one hopes this forum hasn't yet been reduced to that.


YES, I AM the SAME person who comaplined about snide references. Unlike you, they manage to pervade my posting what? Once every couple of dozen posts at the most? More jiving and shuffling. Have it your way. What is a topic anyway? And then you have the audacity to offer, "trite observation." Talk about chips on shoulders. It really IS about personalitires with you, isn't it?

"For much of Panda's recall, the PA was only permitted to legislate where Israel allowed it." Only so far as security matters were concerned. Has nothing to do with the subject matter.


"Rachamim has made a big deal about his American citizenship at other times." Hardly. Offer an example or let us just chalk it up to the usual mix of pseudo-intellectualism and ad hom spittle.


"Rachamim's use of unsubstantiated claims." Of course...in all of 3 ccases...all of which are currently the subject of an obsession by a character named "GrandmaDeath [just rolls about the tongue doesn't it." Fact of the matter is, they will be substantiated as soon as possible. Funny though, you have never managed to come up with anything else.


Oh, and Panda, I have never, ever made a claim that "I only denigrate someone once they have denigrated me first." That is an asinine point of view and most 3 year olds in all cultures have been taught that two wrongs do not make one right. You are imagining things it seems. Fact of the matter is, I try not to denigrate anyone but often fail to live up to my own expectations.

"Johhny's claim." Now you are a psychic? You presume to tell me what I did and did not know? Amazing! Fact is, I was aware of Johnny's claim. I still support it. There is no law prscribing that births must meet departures, or the converse for that matter. You just make it up as you go along it seems./ That something does not meet your personal test means nothing to the rest of the world.


Johnny: Thank you for taking the time and effort to show people here that they just cannot pull nuggets out of the air and have a ball with them. Your data is supported by at least two other sources so that it is good enough for me. If others wish to argue, it is only because they value arguing over facts.


GrandmaDeath: March 11th is when my current deployment ends, save an extension which is highly possible. In any event, I hardly doubt thta as soon as I salute that I will immediately start doing your bidding. As I have said, I will do it when I have the time. If that is not good enough for you, you will have to find another hobby. I feel for you, I really do.

 

[Grandma Death]

GrandmaDeath: March 11th is when my current deployment ends, save an extension which is highly possible. In any event, I hardly doubt thta as soon as I salute that I will immediately start doing your bidding As I have said, I will do it when I have the time. If that is not good enough for you, you will have to find another hobby. I feel for you, I really do.

Excuses already

I do find it a little strange that you find time to post here but not time to back up your 3 'facts'...facts you claim to me are readily available on the net and easy to find...I smell liarboy bullshit

 

[moono]

.i smell liarboy bullshit

Because that's precisely what it is. Granny, 150 to 1. Any takers ?

 

[rachamim18]

GrandmaDeath: Let me try explaining this to you once more, dumbing it down enough so that even you will not be perplexed. TO Research, one needs time and proper materials. TO type, one needs only a few fingers. See a bit of a pattern yet? I actually have a laptop so that if I wished, and was willing to contravene regs, I could be doing this in my little shack in Shechem. To research however, one needs other tools. thjjen again you might not evne know what research means.


Moono: Teens are not supposed to gamble in your nation, are they?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: Actually, since you wish to quibble, "Persia" and "Persians" are not Farsi words but English renditions so that should shut your nonsense down [one can hope anyway].

I wasn't aware that I'd claimed "Persia" and "Persian" were Farsi words.
If only you'd shut your attempts to introduce spurious issues down, Rachamim.

"Not putting words in Panda's mouth." No just paraphrasing the meaning to a tee.

To a tee?
Only if your gauge is a mile wide.

Talk about asnal retentive. What IS your problem? Does it not carry the same, exact meaning? Or were you aiming at something else? If so, then clear it up, be specific. Playing word games has its place but one hopes this forum hasn't yet been reduced to that.

I've already explained twice. if you're unable to grasp my meaning then employ an interpreter.

YES, I AM the SAME person who comaplined about snide references. Unlike you, they manage to pervade my posting what? Once every couple of dozen posts at the most? More jiving and shuffling. Have it your way. What is a topic anyway? And then you have the audacity to offer, "trite observation." Talk about chips on shoulders. It really IS about personalitires with you, isn't it?

Your observation was trite, it was the mouthing of a commonplace, the repitition of a well-known fact, in other words, a "trite observation". Get over it.

"For much of Panda's recall, the PA was only permitted to legislate where Israel allowed it." Only so far as security matters were concerned. Has nothing to do with the subject matter.

So they had full control of, for example, their revenues, did they?

"Rachamim has made a big deal about his American citizenship at other times." Hardly. Offer an example or let us just chalk it up to the usual mix of pseudo-intellectualism and ad hom spittle.

Of course, when it comes to holding forth on US politics you've been perfectly happy to fall back on your American identity as an implicit support for the "correctness" of any views you express on the matter.
As for pseudo-intellectualism, I'm happy for my peers and my alma maters (Birkbeck and Open universities) to pronounce on whether my "intellectuallism" is merely a pretence or posture or not, and I'm well-satisfied with their gauging of me, which makes your attempt at a "clever" insult barbless, amusing and indicative of your own posturing. Thanks for making yourself look foolish.

And actually, you misrepresenting, misquoting prick, what I said was (and I'll bold it, just so that you can read it clearly) "you have made a "big deal" out of your American identity...".
So kindly stick your misrepresentations (always conveniently blameable on English not being your mother-tongue) up your doubtless gaping (given how often you talk out of it) arse.

"Rachamim's use of unsubstantiated claims." Of course...in all of 3 ccases...all of which are currently the subject of an obsession by a character named "GrandmaDeath [just rolls about the tongue doesn't it." Fact of the matter is, they will be substantiated as soon as possible. Funny though, you have never managed to come up with anything else.

What, not even your claims of a while back about the veracity of Dershowitz's sources for what turned out to be his epic of plagiarism?

Oh, and Panda, I have never, ever made a claim that "I only denigrate someone once they have denigrated me first." That is an asinine point of view and most 3 year olds in all cultures have been taught that two wrongs do not make one right. You are imagining things it seems. Fact of the matter is, I try not to denigrate anyone but often fail to live up to my own expectations.

Yeah, whatever.
Self-delusion must be a wonderful thing.

"Johhny's claim." Now you are a psychic? You presume to tell me what I did and did not know? Amazing! Fact is, I was aware of Johnny's claim. I still support it.

What the FUCK are you wittering on about "psychics" for? Read my post again, this time without the help of the hallucinogen you obviously took before your prior reading, arsehole.

There is no law prscribing that births must meet departures, or the converse for that matter.

Another example of your inability to comprehend basic English, I presume, as I have said precisely NOTHING about a law that proscribes or prescribes anything of the sort.
I said that it's hardly an "exodus" if the volume of emigrants is surpassed by the volume of new births to the same community in the country the emigrants are leaving.

You just make it up as you go along it seems.

From the evidence of your rambling, shambolic post, and your inability to read posts without imagining things that aren't there, it appears to be YOU who "makes it up as he goes along", Rachamim.

That something does not meet your personal test means nothing to the rest of the world

I don't expect it to.

Now run along, you're starting to bore me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Because that's precisely what it is. Granny, 150 to 1. Any takers ?

Bet 150 to win 1?

That's about the best odds we're going to see.

 

[Grandma Death]

Bet 150 to win 1?

That's about the best odds we're going to see.

I was thinking of a little flutter myself VP

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Another stupid image from a very stupid man.

Are you suggesting that I eat your soggy brain (or what passes for it?)

No, I have no intention of ever getting within a mile of you.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it.

You're a twat.

S'truth!

 

[moono]

I was thinking of a little flutter myself VP

Odds withdrawn. Insider corruption scandal.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Odds withdrawn. Insider corruption scandal.

Bah, humbug.

 

[tangentlama]

Is it so incredible to you and other goyim that an actual Zionist, one of an estimated 20 million world wide [as many are not Jews before you let the numbers confuse you], might actually see it worthwhile to argue such mundane points? Again, that tried and true Talmudic dictum...

*sigh* please just say 'nations' instead of 'goyim', (or people who live in nations other than the nation of israel) unless you are going to write out the whole sentence in phonetic hebrew. it's alienating to the reader. this request has nothing to do with 'assimilation', but everything to do with not being 'exclusionist' in your communication when writing english, but i expect you to respect my request - i rarely ask you for anything

 

[nino_savatte]

You're a twat.

S'truth!

Baillement.

 

[nino_savatte]

No, I have no intention of ever getting within a mile of you.

So what's the idea behind the image...oh, silly me, there is no idea behind the post...just like the rest of your C&P posts.

 

[rachamim18]

Pandqa: Blah,blah,blah,blah....Only some of the revenue came under Israeli oversight and that was in the import/export sector.

Any opinion I express is merely an OPINION. Opinions have no correctness. They are individual expressions. They are not facts. Surely you know this clear difference.

Pedigrees...Poor me, a prison program through the Technikon and then Ithaca in the States. We cannot all hold the same cards though, can we?


Panda, you are surely slipping. While I DID make a slight mistake concerning Chomskys profession due to quick typing, I never touched upon Dershowitz's sources or any alleged plagiarism. Of course if you would be so nice as to provide an example...


All your poseur intellectualism falls by the wayside as the expletives take to the wind. not cute...utterly ugly Panda. I thought Pandas were usually peaceful creatures.


Ooops! I better RUN along BEFORE I start to BORE you...


Tangent: Actually, for you, anything. Consider it done.

 

[nino_savatte]

All your poseur intellectualism falls by the wayside as the expletives take to the wind. not cute...utterly ugly Panda. I thought Pandas were usually peaceful creatures.

"Poseur intellectualism", huh? Oh and what was that you were saying about Persia?