Official; Israel most corrupt country in the West

[Johnny Canuck3]

No, it's you who needs the help: you can't tell the truth to save your life and rather than accept responsibility for your actions, you'd rather try and suggest that I "need help". It's dishonest but then, that's what I've come to expect of you.

I remember many of our previous encounters, Johnny, and you did say that you would find a Zionist for this forum. You don't remember because it would be inconvenient for you to do so.

Over to you, shyster.

I don't remember, because I didn't say it.

You're a fucking idiot.

 

[Dandred]

What example?

Go back and read again then. It had something to do with Africa......

 

[Lock&Light]

Places other than Iran, obviously Persian Jews who have left the area now know as Iran and then their descendents immigrated to Isreal.

That would make such Jews just as 'Persian' as my son is Frisian.

 

[Dandred]

What example?

The example in my post you quoted. Try to keep up.......

 

[Lock&Light]

You're a fucking idiot.

I've discovered that it's actually easier to let nino prove it himself rather than keep repeating it. There can't be that many people who can't see it by now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: Haven for a religion? Israel has NO official religion. It is the State of the Jewish PEOPLE.

I see that (typically) you've decontextualised my words.
I didn't claim what you imply, what I actually said was:

"After all, one of Israel's fundamental "selling points" to international Jewry is it's status as a refuge for all Jews. The US, Britain and "most if not all other western nations" don't claim to be the last best hope for members of a particular religion"

Not the same thing, as anyone with the English comprehension of a gecko will understand.

Before we codified our beliefs almost 4000 years ago we were a distinct and proud people. We remain today much the same. One find many secular Jews all over the world. You yourself claim to have Jewish family so I find yours a curious statement.

I claim nothing, I state.

"Finite number of Beta Yisroel." In fact, most black skinned Jews here are not from Ethiopia. In my own family I have scores of blacks. Closest is my little nephew [not so little now]. We do not rate one's skin. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew [as long as one's matrilineal line is anyway]. We also accept converts so that one finds all kind of Jews.

I haven't claimed any different, but I suppose you couldn't resist another opportunity to present yourself as the fount of all wisdom, could you?

I wonder, before making such a blanket condemnation like "Israel's racism," sdid you ever bother to research the subject? Have you ever even taken a look at Israel's laws? What about statistics both by the Govt. and by foreign NGOs?

A "blanket condemnation"?
I think you'll find that my condemnation was confined to a specific subject.

Don't let that stop you from misrepresenting what I wrote, though. The more people who read this thread and are made aware of your tricks, the better.

It is a bit ironic [I think I have the meaning of irnoy right] that the "Palestinians" who also have a fair share of dark skinned and black people call the dark skinned among them by the Arabic term for slave. Almost all refuse to intermarry with blacks, hence one finds tribes that are ALL black like the one Bedua tribe in the Negev and 2 in Galilee, as well as certain Apartment blocks in Gaza. People will not even live near them! Yet here you are condeming the entire nation of Israel. You really missed the ball on this one.

As far as I'm aware, the Palestinians have been prevented from developing governmental structures that might, among other things, have ameliorated their racism. The state of Israel, with so much European and US input to it's population, hasn't got that excuse.

"Johnny's claims about a Jewish exodus in France." Actually Johnny has a valid point. More Jews from France have come home than any other period in Israel's history, save for the 40s. As France's Arab and Islamic population soars more and more Jews find living there unsatisfactory. Personally, I am suprised any are living there at all after what happened in 91 [believe I memorised the year correctly] when people went into a Jewish graveyard in Provence that dated all the way back to the Roman era and dug up a newly interred elderly man's corpse and ran un umbrella through his rectum. This was the same year that a motorcyclist through a grenade into a Paris Jewish Center. The only guaranteed safe haven for Jews is Israel.

Nope, as usual (as you might possibly understand if you'd seen the thread in question, but I doubt it, given your fondness for narrativisation) Johnny didn't have a valid point, all he had was a link to an article by a right-wing journalist called Mireille Silcoff who used selectively quoted statistics to support her "thesis". The "mass exodus" that she claimed was taking place didn't exist.

 

[Dandred]

That would make such Jews just as 'Persian' as my son is Frisian.

I'm sure many people who have come from the Persian gulf would still say they are from Persia many generations after they left, even if they are from Jewish famalies...... Hence the phrase "Persian Jews"....



Are you really into cows? Well I always thought you where a strange one. Your son must be a real ugly mother fucker.

 

[ViolentPanda]

the corruption index by the 'transparency' organisation is interesting according to this:

cyprus, italy, czech republic, slovakia, turkey, croatia, poland, romania and serbia and montenegro are more corrupt than israel.

i don't have a link as it's a pdf but if you google 'annual index of coruption' you should find it

I'd argue that the former Yugoslavian nations on that list are still recovering from the great mess that lead to the "robber baron" capitalism they experienced (made worse by the internal conflicts, of course) in the 1990s.

 

[Lock&Light]

Are you really into cows? Well I always thought you where a strange one. Your son must be a real ugly mother fucker.

Are you really so ignorant as to know nothing of the Dutch province of Friesland?

My father's parents were both born in Dokkum.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

First, sadly, I must take time to confront just one apparently goodwilled poster...Garfield: I have taken time in 4 different threads to already adress the issues raised by Grandma Death, namelty that as you might have noticed, I do not get alot of time to post when on duty. I will finished however in the coming week and am sure though that I will then be able to devote just a bit more time to posting. IT is at that time that I will take the time that she, you, or anyone else could have used to simply call both the Israeli Min. of Justice's office, and the producers company with reference to Uvda.

As for posting under different names. I have never done so once, here, or anywhere. I fact I post under my birth and current name [Rachamim, my name is Rachamim Ra'anan Ben Ami, dob 2/10/67, University Hospital on 1st Avenue of America's Manhattan. I work officialy [although actually retiring] as an Excavation Concrete Laborer, specialising on underground heavy and hiway projects like train tunnels and bridges, etc. for Local # 731NYC, of LIUNA, [still amzingly] AFLCIO. Our Union Hall is on 37th Avenue in Long Island City, on the border of Astoria in Queens, N.Y. The exact adress may be had online but I have no remembered it as it is a new hall. We formerly were housed at 221 E 58th St in Manhattan. I have worked there for many years, including 4 years in the WTC site after the jets hit.

With overtime I reached the 20 year mark in terms of pension points so that I may now retire quite well [especially with the exchange between there and here...although I may be insted going to my wife's homeland. Here in Israel I live in Bat Yam and my adress is in the book.

My adress in NYC is , and is still my official adress mind you, Rachamim Ben Ami, 400 Brook Avenue [now in 5E as we switched apartments with a relative], Bronx, NY 10454 in the Mott Haven section of the South Bronx. It is the tallest building on Brook Avenue and for that matter in most of Mott Haven, it being the center building for the Betances Housing Project, what would be called an Estate in the UK.

I was educated in Israel from an early age through the Kook system of yeshiva, my little gem being Yeshiva Achad Ha Am. At age 10 I began a paramilitary trasining course for Odedim [translates a little like orphan] in general infantry. At 16 [3 months after my birthday more or less] was inducted for "Peace in Galilee." I had 6 years on Active wich is twice the normal number for a male, non officer.

I am NACHLAWI, my batallion is the 50th for which like most, I was routed to both Paratrooper and Comman Seargent Schools, both of which were achieved while still 17.

At this point I was entered into an arranged marriage with a girl of Yemeni background and had 2 sons, 1 daughter, all of him are currently on Active in the IDF. Both boys Golani, my daughter in Kara'kul which is supposed to be connected to my Division as a totally integrated combat unit but in reality they perform support functions and sometimes man easy Machshonim.

In Lebanon, I first tried hard drugs and developed a lifelong heroin addiction which I have controlled for the last 14 years more or less, via methadone. I also have a criminal record for narcotics trafficking both here and in the states but that like all this has been told before and in fact, sad as it is, you were here when I told it.

I was wounded twice in Lebanon, nothing too serious although my mouth still has problems. I wasa decorated as much as we do decorations here [and there only 3 plus service ribbons].

After Lebanon my marriage hit skids as you say and I went into Gaza, then the so called "West Bank" for the so called "1st Intifadeh."

Got divorced, left Active, went to SE Asia as is our custom upon discharge and went off the rails for about a year, centering myself in north Thailand but managing to explore all but Laos and Cambodia [which I got to on subsequent trips].

Then came to the States, got a job in the Moving industry which we happen to control in the North East and from there, through connection from home, got my union book and began real work.

In my years since Discharge I have usually fufilled my Reserves duty but with the latest war I returned home and when my group was activated, made it back up north and was promoted to what you would call a Captain. I lost 2 men in this last war and am now in [when not here at home actually] Shechem District and am not at liberty to go beyond that but it is nothing fancy or James Bondish.

So Garfeild, your mom must have had a time convincing them that was going to be your real name. Please tell us all about yourself? You know, I mean, if we really want to clear the air and all.

Why would I post under a different name even if I EVER would have such time?

I am a 40 yeear old soldier with a 24 year old beautiful wife. I have more than enough time tro take care of without such nonsense. Sad it is as I did think you were one of the more adult like people here and even invited u to my home here.

This forum is becoming less and less of a fun thing and I dare say you all m,ight get your wish and see the last of me soon.

no chap you haven't you aren't being honest please resolve this... i would come to you home but ask youself how coud i attend the house of man whom was so robustly irreverent as to appear to be lying consisitantly abotu facts which they are unable to substantiate...

come on if you turned up at my hous eafter expecting to berecieved as a welcome guest but to find out that in fact i gone to some lengths tomsireprestn myself to you would you not be gaulled.... can you place yourself in this situation?

in which case why would i not request that you provide the proof which you have failed repeatdly to do more over you have been caught out postin gas other user names by fridge magnet and they were banned. Again you claim this isn't so but indeed the posts are still available for all to see.

I understand your need want and wish to see a strong and properious isreal i also understand the idea that it must be defended as it has been repeatdly attacked and as the history of the jewish people with which it is enextricably linked to it cannot be discounted i cannot however understand how this personal which you adopt does anythign to supprot that cause, it actively harms it.

moreover like golum before you this trend seems to be preverlent in far right internent personas who attempt to adopt the personalities of jewish and isrealis to push a judeophoic agenda...

You are nto dealing in this forums with people who have just fallen off the boat between the lot of us we have access to some of the most accurate and informative reports actions and have been involved in many actions here and abroad ... we aren't fools and dont' suffer them gladly and it is bad form bad manners and down right insulting to all ont hese forums to suggest that a badly researched op ed pieces are fact more over to make claism that you cannto back up with anything such as soild proof however what's really insulting is to cliam that you have provided answers to questions which you have actively avoided answering.

so please if you must go then do so but if oyu are to conintue wipe the slate clean act like a responsible perosn and address the points being made to you or retract them as being unable to substaitate them...

it's not like you can loose any more credibilty at present but being man enough to admit you made a mistake or to face a consiquneces of your actions...

 

[Grandma Death]

so please if you must go then do so but if oyu are to conintue wipe the slate clean act like a responsible perosn and address the points being made to you or retract them as being unable to substaitate them...

it's not like you can loose any more credibilty at present but being man enough to admit you made a mistake or to face a consiquneces of your actions...

Indeed. Its an issue that wont go away ....he has to address this now.

 

[moono]

Run, Rachamaim, run.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I've discovered that it's actually easier to let nino prove it himself rather than keep repeating it. There can't be that many people who can't see it by now.

But sometimes you just have to let it out, like passing wind.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Are you really so ignorant as to know nothing of the Dutch province of Friesland?

My father's parents were both born in Dokkum.

most dutch i know would dispute the vailidity of friesland being dutch any more than belguim is it's part of the netherlands sure but holland propper... is streatching it...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

But sometimes you just have to let it out, like passing wind.

you let little out except cats from bags considering your anti arab stance JC2 why the continued persistance on these threads???

 

[Dandred]

Are you really so ignorant as to know nothing of the Dutch province of Friesland?

My father's parents were both born in Dokkum.

No, I was joking as the image of your son being half cow popped into my head, it does have the same same spelling....

 

[Lock&Light]

most dutch i know would dispute the vailidity of friesland being dutch any more than belguim is it's part of the netherlands sure but holland propper... is streatching it...

Of course Friesland is not part of Holland, (Noord or Zuid), but as a province of Nederland it is very much Dutch.

 

[moono]

Nice . Any Zionist settlements ?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

you let little out except cats from bags considering your anti arab stance JC2 why the continued persistance on these threads???

A disagreement with terrorism and fundamentalist islam, is not an anti arab stance.

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't remember, because I didn't say it.

You're a fucking idiot.

You don't remember anything that could show you up for the liar and dissembler that you are.

I remember an early encounter with you, where I said that the US economy relies on the culture of death to perpetuate itself. Rather than make a serious point, you called me a "poster child of the far left". You won't remember that either...quelle surprise.

The only idiot here is you, Johnny. You can't reply to anyone without resorting to frantic googling, large reams of cut and paste; cheap shots or images. You've got the brain of a soggy over-cooked cabbage.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You don't remember anything that could show you up for the liar and dissembler that you are.

I remember an early encounter with you, where I said that the US economy relies on the culture of death to perpetuate itself. Rather than make a serious point, you called me a "poster child of the far left". You won't remember that either...quelle surprise.

The only idiot here is you, Johnny. You can't reply to anyone without resorting to frantic googling, large reams of cut and paste; cheap shots or images. You've got the brain of a soggy over-cooked cabbage.

You forgot the song lyrics.

 

[nino_savatte]

You forgot the song lyrics.

Bugger!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Of course Friesland is not part of Holland, (Noord or Zuid), but as a province of Nederland it is very much Dutch.

summit i dispute...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

A disagreement with terrorism and fundamentalist islam, is not an anti arab stance.

no but an ingrained bashment of all arab culture as backward and inhertently violent is ...

but do continue...

 

[Lock&Light]

summit i dispute...

Then you're a twat. Oh, wait a minute. Hasn't that already been repeatedly proved?

 

[nino_savatte]

Originally Posted by R18
In fact, most black skinned Jews here are not from Ethiopia. In my own family I have scores of blacks. Closest is my little nephew [not so little now]. We do not rate one's skin. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew [as long as one's matrilineal line is anyway]. We also accept converts so that one finds all kind of Jews.

That's interesting coming from someone who is a self-confessed hater of assimilation and "race mixing". Please don't tell me that it isn't true becuase I've seen your racist shite elsewhere on the Web.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: "Israel is not safe." In reality, one has a far higher chance of getting victimised by violent crime in NYC than being victimised by terror in Israel. So....statisitcally speaking Israel is indeed far safer.

"Mass exodus of Jews from France to Israel is non-existent." As I said, mosre Jews are making Aliyah than at any other time save the 40s. Now, as to whether this meets your definition of a "mass exodus" is entirely up to you as the phrase is almost impossible to disqualify.

"More Jews return to countries like Germany then emigrate to Israel." Beg to differ. Of course if you were to provide verifiable statistics, or a point in the right direction I might be swayed.

"Rachamim ignores those Jewsliving [still] in Arab nations like Yemen." I certainly do not but I also factually describe just what those lives are like. They are STILL not allowed to work in many occupations. They are STILL forbidden t0o carry a dagger which in effect emasculates them. They are still limited in financial matters and STILL must pay the dhimmi tax. In fact, Yemeni Jews recently suffered a major setback there but I am sure you being the expert on it do not need me to expound on it.

Also, how does that negate what happens in the UAE, Kuwait, Oman, Saudi, and a few other places? Please answer.


Dandred: "How many Jews from Iran, or with parentage from Iran in Israel?" I would need to communicate with the Absorption Min. to find the exact number out but at last glance it was about 96,000. Unlike Jews still living in Iran, Jews who came from Iran but now live in Israel have FULL and COMPLETE freedom in EVERY way.

GrandmaDeath: I should be finished by March 11th on the Western calendar but that is up to the authorities as I hear there some things brewing.When I DO have the time I will I] find out if the trial of Capt. R vs. Uvda has finished [it has], II] I will find the verdict out...and,III] find a source to show you how ISM publicly tretracted the clearly doctored photos of the Rachel Corrie incident. Pray tell, would you also like, as a kind hearted bonus, the expulsion papers handed to several members of the group after they harbored a self admitted terrorist with baby blood on his hands as well as a cahe of heavy weaponry in their Ramallah office suite? Let me know. See what civility gets you? Take that to heart.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: "Iran is Persian." Any, many years ago...and?


Lock and Light: We have a sizable minority known as Bukhari Jews. They originated [mostly] in what was Persia and spread along the silk hiway. They have a language all their own, distinct cuisine, music, and so forth. They could be considered Iranian Jews as well but usually opt for the term Bukhari in reference to the Bokharan Mountains .


Panda: So, in your mind, had the "Palestinians" had a strong governmental structure they might be able to negatesome of their own horrendous racism? Blah. Racism is not institutional there, but on an everyday persona level and as such all it takes is common sense and goodwill. Both things that have all of nothing to do with any form of govt. You also make yourself quite transparent when you use any and all opportunities to denigrate me. Get a grip "Panda."


"Blanket condemnation." No matter the number of subjects, you offered a blanket condemnation of an entire society, did you not? Shuffle and jive just does not go well with you.I also caught the snide reference to my lack of faculty with English but if that is how you choose to confront a differeing opinion, that is your weak choice.


Whether or not Johhny chose an unreliable source, and all we have is your "honourable" word that Johnny did, the data from the Israeli side backs up his claim. Deride the French woman all you want but the numbers do not lie so Johnny happened to be right.


Garfield: Instead of pointing to someone named Golem, take a look at you and yours. Not only do 6 characters here all sound like you, they even spell and compose like you. Maybe we are the only two on this forum, would that not be a subject in of itself. However, from the p.m.s I do get I know it not to be true. The point is, of all posting here, I alone have been the most honest and the express purpose for which I have bothered to do this was to cut to the chase when people like you try to run this dog and pony show.

Is it so incredible to you and other goyim that an actual Zionist, one of an estimated 20 million world wide [as many are not Jews before you let the numbers confuse you], might actually see it worthwhile to argue such mundane points? Again, that tried and true Talmudic dictum...



For your benefit, or rather the benefit of any poor soul attempting to make heads or tails of your long and confusing post...The ONLY three points to which I have NEVER provided backing proofm, are the 3 presented by a character named "Grandma Death." These points were [again] I] Did Capt. R sue the Israeli newsshow "Uvda" in Israeli civil court, to lot over tampered recordings of IDF comminiques that were then edited to give one a different sense from reality? II] WAs the case completed and if so what was the verdict [I clamed honestly that it was and that Capt. R got not only a financial reward but a public retraction as well. Finally, III] Did ISM publicly apologise for offering Reuters purposely doctored photos of Rachel Corrie and the scene of her eventual death? Fact is, Reuters has already made such a retraction and laid the blame squarely on ISM. This is not up for debate. Only the fact of whether or not ISM did in like. This is all she is babbling about. Finally, as I have told her [or is it him, one can never tell], when I have ample time I will provide decent proof, that will probably be when my Reseve Duty ends.

In the entire time I have posted here, those 3 points have been the only ones lacking actual proof. IF you have other exmples please feel free to post them and request proof. Otherwise, I dare say it is time to get back to what really counts and that is actually discussing the subjects at hand.


"loosing credibility, etc., etc...." Look, I do not mean to insult you or anyone else but I was a self assured man before I ever heard of this little spot in cyber space and will be one long after I leave it. I do not seek fufillment here. Sadly, unlike alot of people here [cl;early] I have a full dance card. When time allows, I play a bit more. Currently I am involved in things people like you could not manage to gain the first inkling of. When those affairs are tied up neatly, I will again be able to dig for "sources" and play such games. To suggest that such nonsense somehow undermines my credibility as a man, especially when I alone have provided ALL my personal details [or is Garfield your legal name] reflects poorly on you.



Another question for you Garfield: Why do you question Johnny's presence here , claming he is anti-Arab, yet not the slightestfrom avowed Jew haters whom you regularly talk to? I find THAT to be quite telling as well. To each their own. But why question one and not the other?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Nino: "Iran is Persian." Any, many years ago...and?

28 years is "many many years" to you?

Panda: So, in your mind, had the "Palestinians" had a strong governmental structure they might be able to negatesome of their own horrendous racism? Blah. Racism is not institutional there, but on an everyday persona level and as such all it takes is common sense and goodwill. Both things that have all of nothing to do with any form of govt.

Blah yourself. One of the ways that racism is removed from everyday behaviour is by legislating against it, as an American I'm surprised you miss that easily accessible point.

You also make yourself quite transparent when you use any and all opportunities to denigrate me. Get a grip "Panda."

Do you even begin to see the irony of what you've just posted there?
I doubt it.

"Blanket condemnation." No matter the number of subjects, you offered a blanket condemnation of an entire society, did you not? Shuffle and jive just does not go well with you.I also caught the snide reference to my lack of faculty with English but if that is how you choose to confront a differeing opinion, that is your weak choice.

1) I made no "snide reference". If you have some form of inferiority complex that makes you see slights where there are none then I'd recommend psychological counselling.
2) "Condemning an entire society". No, you're just not getting the point that I didn't do so, are you?

Whether or not Johhny chose an unreliable source, and all we have is your "honourable" word that Johnny did, the data from the Israeli side backs up his claim. Deride the French woman all you want but the numbers do not lie so Johnny happened to be right.

Use the board search facility to seek a thread entitled "Jewish flight from France". There's no need to take my "honourable" word for what I've said, you can read it all, including the many links to the data sources.
You see, weighing the multiple sources showing the bankruptcy of Johnny's argument, against you and Johnny and the few 2nd-hand factoids Johnny was able to conjure in favour of his thesis, I'm thinking that going with the proof rather than with the propagandists, is a sensible move.

 

[Grandma Death]

GrandmaDeath: I should be finished by March 11th on the Western calendar but that is up to the authorities as I hear there some things brewing.When I DO have the time I will I] find out if the trial of Capt. R vs. Uvda has finished [it has], II] I will find the verdict out...and,III] find a source to show you how ISM publicly tretracted the clearly doctored photos of the Rachel Corrie incident. Pray tell, would you also like, as a kind hearted bonus, the expulsion papers handed to several members of the group after they harbored a self admitted terrorist with baby blood on his hands as well as a cahe of heavy weaponry in their Ramallah office suite? Let me know. See what civility gets you? Take that to heart.

Dear oh dear....still trying to worm your way out of this.

I want the statement from the ISM leadership that clearly states they admit to doctoring the photos of rachel corrie, a statement you claim exists.

Lets also not forget the producers of UVDA admitting in court that their show on Captain "R" was 'pure fantasy'......another claim you made which you have been unable to back up.

Finally you claimed Captain "R" successfully sued UVDA and trial is over-not forgetting you made that claim well over 5 weeks ago and as of yet I(we) are still waiting on.


For some reason though forgive me for thinking....after March 11th I(we) will still be waiting...but dont worry liar boy-I will be here to remind you...its not going away.