moono said:
And so you prove your idiocy.
Official; Israel most corrupt country in the West
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And so you prove your idiocy.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
nino_savatte said:
Exactly. They have, in many cases, a more plausible Jewish lineage than the "Russian Jews", and yet get treated as scum.
Nothing to do with their skin colour, supposedly, and yet...
First, sadly, I must take time to confront just one apparently goodwilled poster...Garfield: I have taken time in 4 different threads to already adress the issues raised by Grandma Death, namelty that as you might have noticed, I do not get alot of time to post when on duty. I will finished however in the coming week and am sure though that I will then be able to devote just a bit more time to posting. IT is at that time that I will take the time that she, you, or anyone else could have used to simply call both the Israeli Min. of Justice's office, and the producers company with reference to Uvda.
As for posting under different names. I have never done so once, here, or anywhere. I fact I post under my birth and current name [Rachamim, my name is Rachamim Ra'anan Ben Ami, dob 2/10/67, University Hospital on 1st Avenue of America's Manhattan. I work officialy [although actually retiring] as an Excavation Concrete Laborer, specialising on underground heavy and hiway projects like train tunnels and bridges, etc. for Local # 731NYC, of LIUNA, [still amzingly] AFLCIO. Our Union Hall is on 37th Avenue in Long Island City, on the border of Astoria in Queens, N.Y. The exact adress may be had online but I have no remembered it as it is a new hall. We formerly were housed at 221 E 58th St in Manhattan. I have worked there for many years, including 4 years in the WTC site after the jets hit.
With overtime I reached the 20 year mark in terms of pension points so that I may now retire quite well [especially with the exchange between there and here...although I may be insted going to my wife's homeland. Here in Israel I live in Bat Yam and my adress is in the book.
My adress in NYC is , and is still my official adress mind you, Rachamim Ben Ami, 400 Brook Avenue [now in 5E as we switched apartments with a relative], Bronx, NY 10454 in the Mott Haven section of the South Bronx. It is the tallest building on Brook Avenue and for that matter in most of Mott Haven, it being the center building for the Betances Housing Project, what would be called an Estate in the UK.
I was educated in Israel from an early age through the Kook system of yeshiva, my little gem being Yeshiva Achad Ha Am. At age 10 I began a paramilitary trasining course for Odedim [translates a little like orphan] in general infantry. At 16 [3 months after my birthday more or less] was inducted for "Peace in Galilee." I had 6 years on Active wich is twice the normal number for a male, non officer.
I am NACHLAWI, my batallion is the 50th for which like most, I was routed to both Paratrooper and Comman Seargent Schools, both of which were achieved while still 17.
At this point I was entered into an arranged marriage with a girl of Yemeni background and had 2 sons, 1 daughter, all of him are currently on Active in the IDF. Both boys Golani, my daughter in Kara'kul which is supposed to be connected to my Division as a totally integrated combat unit but in reality they perform support functions and sometimes man easy Machshonim.
In Lebanon, I first tried hard drugs and developed a lifelong heroin addiction which I have controlled for the last 14 years more or less, via methadone. I also have a criminal record for narcotics trafficking both here and in the states but that like all this has been told before and in fact, sad as it is, you were here when I told it.
I was wounded twice in Lebanon, nothing too serious although my mouth still has problems. I wasa decorated as much as we do decorations here [and there only 3 plus service ribbons].
After Lebanon my marriage hit skids as you say and I went into Gaza, then the so called "West Bank" for the so called "1st Intifadeh."
Got divorced, left Active, went to SE Asia as is our custom upon discharge and went off the rails for about a year, centering myself in north Thailand but managing to explore all but Laos and Cambodia [which I got to on subsequent trips].
Then came to the States, got a job in the Moving industry which we happen to control in the North East and from there, through connection from home, got my union book and began real work.
In my years since Discharge I have usually fufilled my Reserves duty but with the latest war I returned home and when my group was activated, made it back up north and was promoted to what you would call a Captain. I lost 2 men in this last war and am now in [when not here at home actually] Shechem District and am not at liberty to go beyond that but it is nothing fancy or James Bondish.
So Garfeild, your mom must have had a time convincing them that was going to be your real name. Please tell us all about yourself? You know, I mean, if we really want to clear the air and all.
Why would I post under a different name even if I EVER would have such time?
I am a 40 yeear old soldier with a 24 year old beautiful wife. I have more than enough time tro take care of without such nonsense. Sad it is as I did think you were one of the more adult like people here and even invited u to my home here.
This forum is becoming less and less of a fun thing and I dare say you all m,ight get your wish and see the last of me soon.
As for posting under different names. I have never done so once, here, or anywhere. I fact I post under my birth and current name [Rachamim, my name is Rachamim Ra'anan Ben Ami, dob 2/10/67, University Hospital on 1st Avenue of America's Manhattan. I work officialy [although actually retiring] as an Excavation Concrete Laborer, specialising on underground heavy and hiway projects like train tunnels and bridges, etc. for Local # 731NYC, of LIUNA, [still amzingly] AFLCIO. Our Union Hall is on 37th Avenue in Long Island City, on the border of Astoria in Queens, N.Y. The exact adress may be had online but I have no remembered it as it is a new hall. We formerly were housed at 221 E 58th St in Manhattan. I have worked there for many years, including 4 years in the WTC site after the jets hit.
With overtime I reached the 20 year mark in terms of pension points so that I may now retire quite well [especially with the exchange between there and here...although I may be insted going to my wife's homeland. Here in Israel I live in Bat Yam and my adress is in the book.
My adress in NYC is , and is still my official adress mind you, Rachamim Ben Ami, 400 Brook Avenue [now in 5E as we switched apartments with a relative], Bronx, NY 10454 in the Mott Haven section of the South Bronx. It is the tallest building on Brook Avenue and for that matter in most of Mott Haven, it being the center building for the Betances Housing Project, what would be called an Estate in the UK.
I was educated in Israel from an early age through the Kook system of yeshiva, my little gem being Yeshiva Achad Ha Am. At age 10 I began a paramilitary trasining course for Odedim [translates a little like orphan] in general infantry. At 16 [3 months after my birthday more or less] was inducted for "Peace in Galilee." I had 6 years on Active wich is twice the normal number for a male, non officer.
I am NACHLAWI, my batallion is the 50th for which like most, I was routed to both Paratrooper and Comman Seargent Schools, both of which were achieved while still 17.
At this point I was entered into an arranged marriage with a girl of Yemeni background and had 2 sons, 1 daughter, all of him are currently on Active in the IDF. Both boys Golani, my daughter in Kara'kul which is supposed to be connected to my Division as a totally integrated combat unit but in reality they perform support functions and sometimes man easy Machshonim.
In Lebanon, I first tried hard drugs and developed a lifelong heroin addiction which I have controlled for the last 14 years more or less, via methadone. I also have a criminal record for narcotics trafficking both here and in the states but that like all this has been told before and in fact, sad as it is, you were here when I told it.
I was wounded twice in Lebanon, nothing too serious although my mouth still has problems. I wasa decorated as much as we do decorations here [and there only 3 plus service ribbons].
After Lebanon my marriage hit skids as you say and I went into Gaza, then the so called "West Bank" for the so called "1st Intifadeh."
Got divorced, left Active, went to SE Asia as is our custom upon discharge and went off the rails for about a year, centering myself in north Thailand but managing to explore all but Laos and Cambodia [which I got to on subsequent trips].
Then came to the States, got a job in the Moving industry which we happen to control in the North East and from there, through connection from home, got my union book and began real work.
In my years since Discharge I have usually fufilled my Reserves duty but with the latest war I returned home and when my group was activated, made it back up north and was promoted to what you would call a Captain. I lost 2 men in this last war and am now in [when not here at home actually] Shechem District and am not at liberty to go beyond that but it is nothing fancy or James Bondish.
So Garfeild, your mom must have had a time convincing them that was going to be your real name. Please tell us all about yourself? You know, I mean, if we really want to clear the air and all.
Why would I post under a different name even if I EVER would have such time?
I am a 40 yeear old soldier with a 24 year old beautiful wife. I have more than enough time tro take care of without such nonsense. Sad it is as I did think you were one of the more adult like people here and even invited u to my home here.
This forum is becoming less and less of a fun thing and I dare say you all m,ight get your wish and see the last of me soon.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rachamim18 said:
Which means you'll just infest other boards and blogs with your tedious crap. Oh aye, I've seen your handywork elsewhere.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
No you haven't liar boy. Can you even get out of bed without lying??
All rather convenient you should threaten this when you are being pressed on your lies.
Johnny Canuck3
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ViolentPanda said:
If israel is treating black jews as second class citizens, it shouldn't be doing so. But doing so puts it in line with your country, the US, and most if not all other western nations.
Johnny Canuck3
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rachamim18 said:
I hope you don't leave. It's gratifying to see someone with personal knowledge taking on the rhetoric of some of these clowns.
Any source of light helps to keep the darkness at bay.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Not quite "in line". As usual the Devil is in the detail. After all, one of Israel's fundamental "selling points" to international Jewry is it's status as a refuge for all Jews. The US, Britain and "most if not all other western nations" don't claim to be the last best hope for members of a particular religion and then find reasons to keep member sof that grouping out while letting in other folks of a more acceptable ethnicity but far less evidence of their actual Jewishness in, Israel does and is therefore (in my opinion) being more pernicious in its' racism, especially given the finite number of Beta Israel (or for that matter Bene Israel) involved.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Well, it's certain that you and rachamim generate enough methane from the shit you talk to make a fair-sized lamp.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Johnny Canuck2 said:
'Personal knowledge' doesnt excuse making exaggerated claims that one cannot back up
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Grandma Death said:'Personal knowledge' doesnt excuse making exaggerated claims that one cannot back up
What, you mean like Johnny's claims about the Jewish exodus from France?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Dandred said:
Up your butt?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Dandred said:
How about the immigration policies of those middle eastern countries that wouldn't admit Palestinians in any numbers?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Dandred said:Would those countries admid Jewish people?
You're missing the point.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Also, do you think the Palestinian's should leave their homeland? I don't....
What gives Isreal the right to take their land.
Look at the number of UN resolutions against Isreal, I don't see you jumping up and down demamding for an attack like you did with Iraq, mind you that's probably for the best after that mistake you made with that one
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Dandred said:Also, do you think the Palestinian's should leave their homeland? I don't....
What gives Isreal the right to take their land.
Look at the number of UN resolutions against Isreal, I don't see you jumping up and down demamding for an attack like you did with Iraq, mind you that's probably for the best after that mistake you made with that one
There were many population migratrions around the time of the end of the second world war. They were fractious at the time, but because the populations involved were usually absorbed elsewhere, the issues died down.
Like it or not, Israel was created. If the other arab countries of the middle east had allowed immigration of palestinians, the problem would be miniscule today if it existed at all.
You may take the position that israel shouldn't have been created, but in any event, there's no justification for the arab countries refusing entry of the refugees into their countries as potential future citizens.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
That's like saying if an African country was done away with her neighbours should just let people come over the boarders because they are black..... I find that racist.
I don't think Isreal shouldn't have been created, but I do think it should be treated equaly to other countries when it comes to the UN and war crimes.
Same as any other nation, what do you think Johnny, nuclear inspections for Isreal and international enforcement of UN resolutions?
rachamim18 said:
Top quality posting, rach.
I really hope that you don't feel it nessessary to stop contributing. The debate on the Middle East requires the input from all sides of the devide.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Really? How did you work that one out? I do find it odd how you have never once mentioned the Beta Israel; but are content, instead, to promote the fallacy that Jews are fleeing France in great numbers, when there is no evidence to support your claim.
I guess it wouldn't do to have Israel presented in a similar light to other countries that have race problems. Though it is abundantly clear that Israel is practicing racism on an institutional level but any mention of that would undermine your cherished belief that Israel is the "promised land" and its survival is necessary for the 'rapture'.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
"Light"? From R18? This "light/darkness" thing bears an uncanny resemblance to other right wing nonsense I've heard spouted by Xtian fundamentalists.
You probably invited R18 to join Urban anyway. I do remember you saying that you could "find a Zionist" to take on all of us 'evil haters of Israel'.
Panda/Nino: "Beta Israel made to submit to tests and treated as scum." Here is where failure to research is most evident. What kind of tests? Their liturgy does not match any known Jewish liturgy. They had never even heard of the Oral Law. As all Jews do, they clearly resembled the population among who they lived.
All these things come into play. Ethiopia is in Israel's geographical region so that it represents, at least among unsubsidised Arab populations [Saudis, UAE, etc] the highest standard of living for the entire region. It also has a higher standard than almost all Eastern European nations but I will get to that in a second. The point of course, is that the Israeli Immigration and Absorption Ministers were faced with a unified group claiming the Jewish "Right of Return."
No nation on the planet just throws open its doors and lays a welcome mat to any group seeking it. Said groups must pass standards administered by each individual nation. Here in Israel, it is matrilineal descent, plus any close family members.
The whole thing with the Beta Yisroel is that there was nothing to prove their Jewishness, not even the Chromosomal Modalities as they later turned out to have no relation [gentically] to most other Jews.
It was sorted out by historians and religious authorities [the Chief Rabbinates] who declared them to be directly descended from the Tribe of Dan. In the Biblical Era our people fought as mercanaries among surrounding nations. A garrison of Danim was sent to an island in the Nile, south of both Egypt and Nubia where they intermarried with locals. This was recorded in non-Jewish histories. It is clear that they lost contact and did a good job of increasing their number through natural ways and through local conversions so that they were able during the so called Middle Ages to establish one of four independant Jewish nations to exist outside our homeland.
Once this was verfefied by historians the Chief Rabbinate was able to make sense of many of the liturgical differences and they were finally officialy considered Jews.
There has been one very big problem since then. After the Jewish Kingdom there fell, they were treated VERY harshly by non-Jews, especially by the predominant Christains who enslaved them and often tatooed crosses on their foreheads. As with Sephardim and some other crypto-Jews, a portion among them still secretly held onto some of their ancient rituals so that they still considered themselves Jews although they had married into no-Jews for centuries [in some cases only decades].
The Beta Yisroel themselves petitioned for these later applicants for Aliyah to be disqualified. In many cases, people with no connection to the Jewish people merely sought the economic advantages that would come with an Israeli passport. As we speak, some are qualified, some are disqualified but it remains to be sorted.
Among former-Soviet Jews... There is a similar problem of economic immigrants, with a famous case involving a woman and her son who came here when he was 12. He was inducted into the IDF at 18 and it soon came out that he was in fact a neo-Nazi. The irony horrified a good many here and brought this issue to the forefront of manys' minds.
Since then, former-Soviets applying under the "Right" are scrutinised much more stringently. They did not have the same hurdles as the Beta. Not because of skin color [we already have many darker skinned Jews in Israel, including relatives of mine] but rather because they could avail themselves to modern technology and memorise and/or learn Jewish religious and cultural practices.
Truly ironically, former -Soviets now generally have a harder time than people from Ethiopia in proving their roots. I know because a second cousin from Trans-Diniester just made Aliyah and even with our family connection and very good documentation it was long, drawnout process.
This is a long post but it must be because as usual, people here try to portray Israel as a racist state, etc. without even knowing the first thing of which they talk about.
All these things come into play. Ethiopia is in Israel's geographical region so that it represents, at least among unsubsidised Arab populations [Saudis, UAE, etc] the highest standard of living for the entire region. It also has a higher standard than almost all Eastern European nations but I will get to that in a second. The point of course, is that the Israeli Immigration and Absorption Ministers were faced with a unified group claiming the Jewish "Right of Return."
No nation on the planet just throws open its doors and lays a welcome mat to any group seeking it. Said groups must pass standards administered by each individual nation. Here in Israel, it is matrilineal descent, plus any close family members.
The whole thing with the Beta Yisroel is that there was nothing to prove their Jewishness, not even the Chromosomal Modalities as they later turned out to have no relation [gentically] to most other Jews.
It was sorted out by historians and religious authorities [the Chief Rabbinates] who declared them to be directly descended from the Tribe of Dan. In the Biblical Era our people fought as mercanaries among surrounding nations. A garrison of Danim was sent to an island in the Nile, south of both Egypt and Nubia where they intermarried with locals. This was recorded in non-Jewish histories. It is clear that they lost contact and did a good job of increasing their number through natural ways and through local conversions so that they were able during the so called Middle Ages to establish one of four independant Jewish nations to exist outside our homeland.
Once this was verfefied by historians the Chief Rabbinate was able to make sense of many of the liturgical differences and they were finally officialy considered Jews.
There has been one very big problem since then. After the Jewish Kingdom there fell, they were treated VERY harshly by non-Jews, especially by the predominant Christains who enslaved them and often tatooed crosses on their foreheads. As with Sephardim and some other crypto-Jews, a portion among them still secretly held onto some of their ancient rituals so that they still considered themselves Jews although they had married into no-Jews for centuries [in some cases only decades].
The Beta Yisroel themselves petitioned for these later applicants for Aliyah to be disqualified. In many cases, people with no connection to the Jewish people merely sought the economic advantages that would come with an Israeli passport. As we speak, some are qualified, some are disqualified but it remains to be sorted.
Among former-Soviet Jews... There is a similar problem of economic immigrants, with a famous case involving a woman and her son who came here when he was 12. He was inducted into the IDF at 18 and it soon came out that he was in fact a neo-Nazi. The irony horrified a good many here and brought this issue to the forefront of manys' minds.
Since then, former-Soviets applying under the "Right" are scrutinised much more stringently. They did not have the same hurdles as the Beta. Not because of skin color [we already have many darker skinned Jews in Israel, including relatives of mine] but rather because they could avail themselves to modern technology and memorise and/or learn Jewish religious and cultural practices.
Truly ironically, former -Soviets now generally have a harder time than people from Ethiopia in proving their roots. I know because a second cousin from Trans-Diniester just made Aliyah and even with our family connection and very good documentation it was long, drawnout process.
This is a long post but it must be because as usual, people here try to portray Israel as a racist state, etc. without even knowing the first thing of which they talk about.
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