Official; Israel most corrupt country in the West
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nino_savatte
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Darios said:
Nope and it would seem that the term "The West" is used to refer to countries that are part of some economic club (the G8 and so on) rather than their geographical location.
nino_savatte said:
I'm soooo envious, Nino. Yours is so much bigger than mine.
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
Ah bless, you can't find any other quips to make so you resort to substandard sexual innuendo.
The light's on but no one's home.
nino_savatte said:The light's on but no one's home.
How do you manage to carry it around with you? It must weigh you down enormously.
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
I knew you'd take that out of context and try and turn it on me.
You're not very bright though - are you? You're twice as thick as pigshit and your attempts at making Wildean quips are...shall we say, flaccid?
nino_savatte said:You're not very bright though - are you? You're twice as thick as pigshit and your attempts at making Wildean quips are...shall we say, flaccid?
The enormity of it makes me feel humbled, Nino.
Um, for starters Israel is not a "Western" nation, neither in geographical position nor in temperment. Israel, for those disinclined to look at a map or globe, sits in extreme north west Asia, bordering literally on Africa.
As for corruption, sadly it is a very real problem here but as a person who has traveled a bit I certainly do not see it worse than any other nation in the region and quite a bit better than most. As for Western nations, I suppose Israel would rank low but why would Israel be judged in a category in which it does not belong?
In any event, there are a couple of reasons why Israel suffers from corruption. Until 1977 we were a Socialist nation and as anyone who has lived in or stayed for any length of time in a Socialist or Communist nation, there is a very discernible lack of motivation on the part of the worker. Why aggressively pursue your vocation when it is a guaranteed job?
Although Socialism basically ended in 77 it still took some years for its influence to wear off. Some aspects of our nation are still socialised, like our health care system and educational system so that both those areas do suffer from corruption but as the nation matures, we see less and less of this.
Moono, as for you other blanket condemnations of a nation and its people [not only Zionists as one can still sadly recall your defense of both the term "shyster" and "Jewboy"], I [as always] take your age into account. Hopefully you will disavow some of these horrible things as you age.
As for corruption, sadly it is a very real problem here but as a person who has traveled a bit I certainly do not see it worse than any other nation in the region and quite a bit better than most. As for Western nations, I suppose Israel would rank low but why would Israel be judged in a category in which it does not belong?
In any event, there are a couple of reasons why Israel suffers from corruption. Until 1977 we were a Socialist nation and as anyone who has lived in or stayed for any length of time in a Socialist or Communist nation, there is a very discernible lack of motivation on the part of the worker. Why aggressively pursue your vocation when it is a guaranteed job?
Although Socialism basically ended in 77 it still took some years for its influence to wear off. Some aspects of our nation are still socialised, like our health care system and educational system so that both those areas do suffer from corruption but as the nation matures, we see less and less of this.
Moono, as for you other blanket condemnations of a nation and its people [not only Zionists as one can still sadly recall your defense of both the term "shyster" and "Jewboy"], I [as always] take your age into account. Hopefully you will disavow some of these horrible things as you age.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Should be suffixed with:
But a shining beacon of good practice compared to it's ME neighbours...
Moono [yet again]: As for Olmert, "facing charges" really has no bearing on his strength, etc. as anyone familiar with Israeli politics can tell you. What is he, the 4th straight P.M. to face such nonsense? Maybe even the 5th. Politics are played high and wide here and if one finds the American political scene a circus they should avail themselves to the Israeli scene.
Centrism is what Olmert is representing and as such, it is alive and kicking. Even if he is hobbled, Kadimah will continue to strive for a peaceful and secure coexistence. With the same spirit that led us out of Gaza almost two years ago we will exit the so called "West Bank" and continue living our lives.
As for a "deal" with the "Palestinians," that is [as it always has been] completely in the hands of the "Palestinians." On that note, they do not seem capable [yet] of even making peace among themselves let alone Israel.
Centrism is what Olmert is representing and as such, it is alive and kicking. Even if he is hobbled, Kadimah will continue to strive for a peaceful and secure coexistence. With the same spirit that led us out of Gaza almost two years ago we will exit the so called "West Bank" and continue living our lives.
As for a "deal" with the "Palestinians," that is [as it always has been] completely in the hands of the "Palestinians." On that note, they do not seem capable [yet] of even making peace among themselves let alone Israel.
nino_savatte
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pk said:
Psssst! It's Katsav who's been charged with rape.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
What are you doing back?
Got proof yet you fucking liar?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Grandma Death said:
Now now, he's not a liar, he's "veracity challenged" and "honesty disabled".
Johnny Canuck3
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moono said:
More corrupt than, like, Uruguay and Paraguay, or Haiti?
lobster
Well-Known Member
There was an article
today by John Dugard, appointed by the UN secretary general to write a report on Israel and human rights. Israel were one of the countries ironically that supported the African apartheid.
To be fair, the other countries in the middle east are just as bad, if not worse.
And as i have said before do not allow jews even to enter the country, regardless who they are.
today by John Dugard, appointed by the UN secretary general to write a report on Israel and human rights. Israel were one of the countries ironically that supported the African apartheid.
To be fair, the other countries in the middle east are just as bad, if not worse.
And as i have said before do not allow jews even to enter the country, regardless who they are.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Yep, but not as corrupt as Thailand or the US.
BTW, does Haiti actually count, and if so is that all the time or just when they have a functioning government?
Nino: Yes, the President also faces criminal charges but the P.M. is indeed, sadly, also facing a slew himself.
I have not had time to peruse the entire thread but I also thought to myself after I posted that I had made a mistake that I am not sure if others saw [which would be shocking] and that is that we sit in SOUTH west, not northwest Asia...just for teh record.
Grandma Death: Your nasty vocabulary aside [and still intact], you will have it when I have time. I would point out that you are nitpicking at things that really do not have anything to do with anything [save perhaps ISM's integrity which YOU might feel the need to defend] but that as a point of accuracy, if asked, I do my best to provide what is asked. In case it has not hit you yet, I [unlike you apprently] have commitments to which I must devote most of my attention [for about 4 more days]. Hopefully in the coming days I can provide you with the 3 things you asked for and you can then move onto other expletive laden obsessions.
Panda: I should not even lower myself to the same old games but if you would, please provide an example of my lying...unless you literally mean that my posts are often challenged, in which case of course I agree [I must say that my English often suprises me with how well I have learned more and more, which is strange I would think since I am not in a place where it is spoken by everyone].
Not as corrupt as the US? Have you even ever visited it Panda? I am no fan of America but you are definitely incorrect in that regard. I do think that all political systems suffer from corruption though. As for the rest of America I think that it is pretty rare to find corrupt doctors, police, etc.
Lobster: Anything that the UN claims with regard to Israel and Human Rights should be used to line bird cages. Their supposedly "reformed" Human Rights section only dealt with 6 cases in its first 6 months and all but one was obsessed with Israel. When one reads other sources one finds that on a universal scale Israel consistently comes out pretty clean. I remember the universal scale by an independant consultancy that provides a rating to world financial concerns [and is treasured like a Bible to alot of Western Governments] rates Israel 8.5 on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the higest. It has never rated below 8. Most other barmoeters place a similar rating on Israel.
The UN is merely the sum of its members and when there 22 Arab Govts. plus the PA, and another 33 mostly Islamic nations enjoying membership it is not exactly an unbiased source of information on Israel.
It should also be noted, that in from 93 to 2003, Israel has had more than 300,000 Arabs ILLEGALY immigrate to Israel and the so called "Territories." We also have almost a million legal Arab CITIZENS ...ALL of whom CHOOSE to live here. Unlike our neighbours, we do not prevent people from leaving, etc. if they so desire.
Were Israel to be the violator that the UN claims, the preceeding FACTS would hardly happen.
Israel supported South Africa during its racist years? Yes, it did, but not the racist policies. Alliances between nations are never based on solely on ideological values but on intersecting objectives. In this case I cannot offer you the most common shared objective because of my position but it is easily surmised.
Dandred: I agree [smile] that we have no place in Eurovision but I find it telling of our tolerance that a noted winner of the contest was an Israeli transexual.
As for neighbours, it is not Israel that will not play but the neighbours who bow out. Actually we have official peace with Egypt and Jordan so it is not altogether like that.
Moono: Football not popular? If you mean the American sport of course. If you mean what Americans call "soccer" though you have no idea what you are talking about. In both Israel and the envisioned "Palestine" football is tops. Actually in Israel people might argue that basketball is the most popular. It certainly is in the yeshiva world.
I have not had time to peruse the entire thread but I also thought to myself after I posted that I had made a mistake that I am not sure if others saw [which would be shocking] and that is that we sit in SOUTH west, not northwest Asia...just for teh record.
Grandma Death: Your nasty vocabulary aside [and still intact], you will have it when I have time. I would point out that you are nitpicking at things that really do not have anything to do with anything [save perhaps ISM's integrity which YOU might feel the need to defend] but that as a point of accuracy, if asked, I do my best to provide what is asked. In case it has not hit you yet, I [unlike you apprently] have commitments to which I must devote most of my attention [for about 4 more days]. Hopefully in the coming days I can provide you with the 3 things you asked for and you can then move onto other expletive laden obsessions.
Panda: I should not even lower myself to the same old games but if you would, please provide an example of my lying...unless you literally mean that my posts are often challenged, in which case of course I agree [I must say that my English often suprises me with how well I have learned more and more, which is strange I would think since I am not in a place where it is spoken by everyone].
Not as corrupt as the US? Have you even ever visited it Panda? I am no fan of America but you are definitely incorrect in that regard. I do think that all political systems suffer from corruption though. As for the rest of America I think that it is pretty rare to find corrupt doctors, police, etc.
Lobster: Anything that the UN claims with regard to Israel and Human Rights should be used to line bird cages. Their supposedly "reformed" Human Rights section only dealt with 6 cases in its first 6 months and all but one was obsessed with Israel. When one reads other sources one finds that on a universal scale Israel consistently comes out pretty clean. I remember the universal scale by an independant consultancy that provides a rating to world financial concerns [and is treasured like a Bible to alot of Western Governments] rates Israel 8.5 on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the higest. It has never rated below 8. Most other barmoeters place a similar rating on Israel.
The UN is merely the sum of its members and when there 22 Arab Govts. plus the PA, and another 33 mostly Islamic nations enjoying membership it is not exactly an unbiased source of information on Israel.
It should also be noted, that in from 93 to 2003, Israel has had more than 300,000 Arabs ILLEGALY immigrate to Israel and the so called "Territories." We also have almost a million legal Arab CITIZENS ...ALL of whom CHOOSE to live here. Unlike our neighbours, we do not prevent people from leaving, etc. if they so desire.
Were Israel to be the violator that the UN claims, the preceeding FACTS would hardly happen.
Israel supported South Africa during its racist years? Yes, it did, but not the racist policies. Alliances between nations are never based on solely on ideological values but on intersecting objectives. In this case I cannot offer you the most common shared objective because of my position but it is easily surmised.
Dandred: I agree [smile] that we have no place in Eurovision but I find it telling of our tolerance that a noted winner of the contest was an Israeli transexual.
As for neighbours, it is not Israel that will not play but the neighbours who bow out. Actually we have official peace with Egypt and Jordan so it is not altogether like that.
Moono: Football not popular? If you mean the American sport of course. If you mean what Americans call "soccer" though you have no idea what you are talking about. In both Israel and the envisioned "Palestine" football is tops. Actually in Israel people might argue that basketball is the most popular. It certainly is in the yeshiva world.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
Ah, but it's just common or garden corruption in Olmert's case, not rape. It's still looking bad for Kadima and Likud. It looks like some of those party members are going to be entertaining thoughts of a new breakaway party before long.
Actually Nino, you managed to post an astute point of view. Yes, there is talk of a new entity. IF it took a centrist approach like Kadimah I think it would be grand. Most are now actually to the right of center so I do worry about the party.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
Answer the questions or publicly retract.
Provide me with proof that the ISM leadership admitted to doctoring photos of rachel corrie.
Evidence please that Captain "R" sucessfully sued Uvda-and the trial is over.
The producers of Uvda in that same court case admitted their show on Captain "R" was 'pure fantasy'
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
You are full of shit. Stop making excuses-you have promised me at least half a dozen times for the evidence. Each time you have its been followed by a gap in your posting where you obviously think upon your return people will forget the lies you have perpetuated.
You have been asked several times by myself and other posters to back up your claims.
Time is up you toad-the clocks ticking. Back it up or publicly retract. If you cannot there is no place for liars on this forum.
Provide me with proof that the ISM leadership admitted to doctoring photos of rachel corrie.
Evidence please that Captain "R" sucessfully sued Uvda-and the trial is over.
The producers of Uvda in that same court case admitted their show on Captain "R" was 'pure fantasy'
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Provide you with examples of your lying again?rachamim18 said:
Why do you make this same request every time you're called on it. do you seriously believe that people will have forgotten your previous untruths?
I'll give you your examples when you give Grandma Death the facts you promised him. That's only fair.
Yes, I've been to the US. I spent the best part of a year there in the 1980s making my way from Minnesota to New York by car and motorcycle on the "back roads" and visiting with friends on the way.
You can't separate the people from the politics, anb you can't separate the politics from the corruption in the healthcare system, in the defense procurement programmes etc etc. If you believe that you can separate them, then you're lying to yourself.
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