#occupy London....

[Paulie Tandoori]

has politics really become such a hollow shell?

 

[shaman75]

I agree about the quote. Translated from either Spanish or Catalan as well I should think.

A lot of this #occupy stuff spreads back to the Spanish occupations back in May, which in themselves were influenced by the occupations in Egypt and other countries in the region.

As far as I can gather, the occupation will centre around assemblies, to involve all the people there in trying to find solutions.

 

[eoin_k]

Will John Galt be there?

 

[butchersapron]

That terrible pompous self-regarding historically ignorant quote was used on the original Occupy Wall St call out as well.

 

[smokedout]

It is inevtitable that street based occupations will attract street based people. Some of their politics may be sound. Others may not. Some will be vulnerable, others will feel intimidating and cause genuine safety concerns. This is not alarmist prejudiced bullshit, I am not going to jeapodise people's anonymitity by going it to how I know that it aint. What happens if a bunch of dodgy lowlife decide to hand out and run the show, or just create a bad impression and get threatening etc. Can you force them to fuck off? Why should they? I hope people realise this concern is well founded and sincere, and that comrades can give it some thought in advance of such instances arising.

omg what if some real poor people turn up

 

[Kaka Tim]

Is he talking about the movement being hijacked by street drinkers?

'Vote Frosty Jack!'

 

[Blagsta]

There is an issue about how do you deal with anti-social elements. This was an issue with road protest camps, especially M11.

 

[treelover]

it has been an issue with most new social movements, activists end up as social workers, maybe not a bad thing in itself, but taken too far,...

 

[eoin_k]

Looks like it has started:
http://yfrog.com/kgzg0ceqj

 

[treelover]

Some of these occupy events are reminding me of the 'Yippies'

 

[Luther Blissett]

truthers?

Truthers' are easily dealt with, as shown by the recent occupywallstreet protest.
Just make a sign, stand next to them, and form a one-person protest against them.
It's proved to be very, VERY effective.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/12/anti_semite_gets_called_out_at_occupy_wall_st/singleton/

 

[butchersapron]

Truthers' are easily dealt with, as shown by the recent occupywallstreet protest.
Just make a sign, stand next to them, and form a one-person protest against them.
It's proved to be very, VERY effective.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/12/anti_semite_gets_called_out_at_occupy_wall_st/singleton/

Totally different - there's no way anti-semites can be seen to be on 'our' side - truthers are seen by many to be on 'our' side - despite the sort of determined ignorance to many of the themes running through these clowns theories this entails.

 

[Luther Blissett]

truthers?

Any 'Truthers' that turn out can be easily refuted, as this recent one-person protest at Occupy Wall Street proved.

Image from: http://www.salon.com/2011/10/12/anti_semite_gets_called_out_at_occupy_wall_st/singleton/

And rightwingnuts who might try to imply the protests are flawed or marred, are neatly deconstructed and dismissed here by Sad Red Earth:

The video the three have foisted on us purports to show significant and rampant anti-Semitism at the Occupy Wall Street protests. It is a blatant and paltry distortion.

It is a regrettable nearly timeless truth that wherever attacks on the financially powerful are made, there will appear among the assembled motley of attackers some who will advance old, ugly canards about Jewish influence among the world’s wealthy. It is a regrettable current truth that wherever general left side protest is made there will appear within it some element protesting against Israel and for, as it happens in the video, Gaza. NONETHELESS, what the manipulators of this video have managed to come up with, after over a month of protest in New York City, and now in scores of American cities, is a mere one-minute assemblage. It is dynamically edited so that one may be led to believe that Occupy Wall Street is a veritable cauldron of anti-Semitic hatred. In truth, it shows, edited to appear multiple times and so increase the sense of number, only three incidents, one of which is the Gaza sign that we must acknowledge as a breed apart from the anti-Semitism. That leaves two – two incidents of anti-Semitic behavior noted among many weeks and cities of protest and thousands of protestors.
The footage of the uglier of the two anti-Semitic incidents is culled from a longer video that has been on the web for over a week, and which culminates with an interview of the young man who berates and insults the old Jew. What is clear from the interview is that the guy is a loner and an outlier besides an ignorant asshole. What is clear from the Emergency Committee’s video is that its purpose is no emergency work on behalf of Israel, but the low and commonplace trashing of domestic political opponents, as it attempts to connect such as President Obama and Nancy Pelosi to the protests, and through the protests to the anti-Semitic and Gaza supportive elements. The video also belittles the protestors as a mob, and as such declares its plutocratic contempt.

http://sadredearth.com/the-putrid-cynicism-of-the-emergency-committee-for-israel/

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Live stream: http://the-alternative.co.uk/news/occupy-london-live-streams-video/

http://bambuser.com/channel/studentprotestlondon/broadcast/2045807

 

[Luther Blissett]

Totally different - there's no way anti-semites can be seen to be on 'our' side - truthers are seen by many to be on 'our' side - despite the sort of determined ignorance to many of the themes running through these clowns theories this entails.

The manner of dealing with any visuals that 'truthers' or any other conspiracy theorist protestors (incl. antisemitic conspiraracy theories about Jews) produce from their arses, which could then be used against the movement, is the same.

 

[butchersapron]

And then the truthers come up with their counter-signs en masse - then the story is the internal battles between loons and other occupiers, and the turthers agenda is put forward to rubbish the whole thing. Fantastic.

 

[Luther Blissett]

truthers are seen by many to be on 'our' side - despite the sort of determined ignorance to many of the themes running through these clowns theories this entails.

Truthers are not seen by many to be on side. What a crass statement.

 

[butchersapron]

Truthers are not seen by many to be on side. What a crass statement.

Yes they are - there's even been posts on this board defending their presence here and in NY. The organisers call out explicitly asked truthers to turn out. I'd like you to tell me in the light of this why you think my post is crass?

No answer to the post above then?

 

[Pickman's model]

*taps watch*

 

[Pickman's model]

Totally different - there's no way anti-semites can be seen to be on 'our' side - truthers are seen by many to be on 'our' side - despite the sort of determined ignorance to many of the themes running through these clowns theories this entails.

yeh. truthers are more intelligent than blissett gives them credit for, they aren't always immediately obvious as the loons they are.

 

[treelover]

scuffles already, sad really,

 

[Pickman's model]

scuffles already, sad really,

i don't see why. a minor dispute between butchers and me and blissett is - i would have thought - par for the course here.

 

[treelover]

yeah, you know i meant in London...

 

[Boycey]

Will they actually find the right building this time?

aldwych right?

 

[Pickman's model]

yeah, you know i meant in London...

yeh? link or stfu. there was a little bit on sky news about this a minute ago, showing an entirely peaceful scene and not mentioning any scuffles - and sky are usually very good at picking up that sort of thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

and there's been a spot more on sky, showing a couple of level 2 or level 1 vans beside the crowd, but neither footage, mention or indication of any trouble.

it's not j18 you know

 

[Pickman's model]

& there's nothing on the guardian's 'minute by minute' coverage. treelover - have you a source or are you simply spouting shit? i think we should be told.

 

[treelover]

I said scuffles not fights, on bambuser, now they are saying they are being kettle

http://the-alternative.co.uk/news/occupy-london-live-streams-video/

 

[treelover]

'The police are now changing into full riot gear, suggesting they may be about to adopt more forceful tactics with the protesters, says Mark Townsend.'

Guardian

a very bad day for democracy, these are very peaceful protesters

 

[editor]

I'm too done in for this today and I'm definitely not in the mood for a fucking kettle.