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#occupy London....

oi! :mad: it's not actually! i'm going to the london one :)

i think it's this guy, well he's an admin, so if you wanna assassinate one of the ringleaders, it might as well be him :)
http://www.facebook.com/magicalmelvin

glad to see people are finally getting a clue. 6 months late, but as they say, better late than never. it's kinda tough and a bit frustrating being so far ahead of the game, but that's life.

if you attend and we fail, you don't go home with nothing... you get this sticker:

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nawwww, ain't they cute!
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nick shaxson knows the score.


so do al jazeera!
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119281581769464.html

That’s why we all need to join in. Not just by liking it on Facebook, signing a petition at change.org or retweeting protest photos, but by going down to the occupation itself.

There is great potential here. Sure, it’s a far cry from Tahrir Square or even Wisconsin. But there is the nucleus of a revolt that could shake America’s power structure as much as the Arab world has been upended.

Instead of one to two thousand people a day joining in the occupation there needs to be tens of thousands of people protesting the fat cats driving Bentleys and drinking thousand-dollar bottles of champagne with money they looted from the financial crisis and then from the bailouts while Americans literally die on the streets.
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'Pantomime progressivism'
Perhaps their views were coloured by the New York Times article deriding protestors for wishing to “pantomime progressivism” and “Gunning for Wall Street with faulty aim”. Many of the criticisms boil down to “a lack of clear messaging.”

But what’s wrong with that? A fully formed movement is not going to spring from the ground. It has to be created. And who can say what exactly needs to be done? We are not talking about ousting a dictator; though some say we want to oust the dictatorship of capital.

There are plenty of sophisticated ideas out there: end corporate personhood; institute a “Tobin Tax” on stock purchases and currency trading; nationalise banks; socialise medicine; fully fund government jobs and genuine Keynesian stimulus; lift restrictions on labour organising; allow cities to turn foreclosed homes into public housing; build a green energy infrastructure.

But how can we get broad agreement on any of these? If the protesters came into the square with a pre-determined set of demands it would have only limited their potential. They would have either been dismissed as pie in the sky - such as socialised medicine or nationalising banks - or if they went for weak demands such as the Buffett Rule, their efforts would immediately be absorbed by a failed political system, thus undermining the movement.

That’s why the building of the movement has to go hand in hand with common struggle, debate and radical democracy. It’s how we will create genuine solutions that have legitimacy. And that is what is occurring down at Wall Street.
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why are you being a cunt and outing someone as an organiser? :confused:
doing their job for them or what! :facepalm:
 
Francis Tanseco
Can someone bring some INVOCATION/prayers and EXORCISE the buildings to be OCCUPIED, these buildings are full of evil entity it will zapped away all your energy. Somebody has to do exorsicism on these buildings comes Saturday.

Peter Spencer I think you have something there, do you know about the veseca piscis, sacred geometry look it up. Use the shape and fill the overlap with energy, you could draw it on the floor in chalk and and stand on its outline and exude pure love. they will not stand a chance.

Peter Spencer are you aware that sacred geometry has been used in the city and the architectural decorations of the buildings, They are truly protected by magic which I believe can be hijacked and used against them. see

Francis Tanseco I have my own exercises for protecting myself and others through meditation using those geometries...its great

cosmic!
 
oh dear - notices have gone up around paternoster square saying this is private property fuck off basically, now there's a big argument on facebook with the hippies and posh kids saying we shouldnt go there in case we all get arrested and it looks bad in the papers

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Does anyone know if 'trespass' can be dealt with by the police? This seems to be the word on the posters...

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CJAPO 1994 seems to suggest it can only be done if they have lots of vehicles on the land, use threatening behaviour/ language or damage the property.

61 Power to remove trespassers on land.
(1)If the senior police officer present at the scene reasonably believes that two or more persons are trespassing on land and are present there with the common purpose of residing there for any period, that reasonable steps have been taken by or on behalf of the occupier to ask them to leave and—
(a)that any of those persons has caused damage to the land or to property on the land or used threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour towards the occupier, a member of his family or an employee or agent of his, or
(b)that those persons have between them six or more vehicles on the land,
he may direct those persons, or any of them, to leave the land and to remove any vehicles or other property they have with them on the land.
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/61

Is there anything else out there that provides powers?
 
trespass is a civil offence, aggravated trespass (CJA 1994, section 68 iirc) is a criminal act.
trespass becomes aggravated trespass if you trespass with the intention of harrasing or intimidating someone, or disrupting someone in the course of their lawful duties.

(ianal)
 
as well as this there are laws on public processions, obstruction etc, as well as countless bylaws in the square mile

any who thought that it was going to be legal and unopposed to set up a camp in the city is a fruitcake, we don't live in fucking trumpton
 
pre-emptive strike against the square being legally squatted, although they really should have put the owners name and address on it I'd have thought.

just slap a section 6 notice up anyway, and point out that you're aware it's private land, and that you are claiming it as the owners of the land being as you're not aware of any prior claims to the land. Should get you a few days grace at least before the courts and police can actually be involved, as they can't throw you off without the court determining who actually owns the land if you're contesting that.

LEGAL WARNING
Section 6 Criminal Law Act 1977
As amended by Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994
TAKE NOTICE
THAT we live in this property, it is our home and we intend to stay here.
THAT at all times there is at least one person in this property.
THAT any entry or attempt to enter into this property without our permission is a criminal offence as any one of us who is in physical possession is opposed to entry without our permission.
THAT if you attempt to enter by violence or by threatening violence we will prosecute you. You may receive a sentence of up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine of up to £5,000.
THAT if you want to get us out you will have to take out a summons for possession in the County Court or in the High Court, or produce to us a written statement or certificate in terms of S.12A Criminal Law Act, 1977 (as inserted by Criminal Justice and Public Order Act, 1994).
THAT it is an offence under S.12A (8) Criminal Law Act 1977 (as amended) to knowingly make a false statement to obtain a written statement for the purposes of S. 12A. A person guilty of such an offence may receive a sentence of up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine of up to £5,000.
Signed
The Occupiers
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oh, and can someone tell whoever's scared of getting nicked to grow some balls or not get involved, as chances are fairly high of people getting nicked at some point, and they need to accept it and build it into their thinking and plan for it if they're going to be even slightly effective. This means having legal observers, legal support teams, volunteers to meet those who've been nicked when they're released from court etc etc that way being nicked isn't such a scary proposition, meaning people are more prepared to risk it if need be.

the anti globalisation movement they apparently deride had around 5-600 nicked at gleneagles out of 4-5000, and thousands of others at various protests around the world, so if they want to give it the big I am in their blurb, they need to not start winging at the start about the possibility of a night in the cells IMHO.

Good luck to whoever's involved, I'd not be anyway, but definitely wouldn't given their statement about the anti-globalisation movement, which to me is just disrespectful bollocks. If they get millions on the streets and change the world, I'll admit they might have had a point, but while it's 3 tents in manchester telling the world manchester is now occupied I'm thinking we were a little more swarmlike and global in our reach.
 
Anti-capitalist protesters are threatening to storm the City tomorrow to launch an "autumn of action" against its banks.

Activists are being urged to set up camp in the Square Mile in an effort to stage a repeat of the recent anti-Wall Street protests in New York.

Hundreds of riot police are being deployed in case of trouble and key buildings, including the Stock Exchange, will be ringed by officers to prevent attempts to occupy them.
The Met and City of London police forces have launched a joint operation in an effort to ensure the protests are peaceful.

One source said: "Our aim is to minimise any disruption to Londoners and tourists who are in the area. But the groups have told us they want the protest to be peaceful so we shall see."

One campaigner said the City and Canary Wharf had become the focus of their anger after Parliament Square became too fortified to penetrate. The protest, called Occupy London Stock Exchange, is being organised by coalition of protest and direct action groups, including UK Uncut.

The protest echoes a similar occupation carried out in Wall Street in New York which has seen demonstrators take over a park in lower Manhattan for three weeks.

The Met and City of London Police would not discuss tactics to deal with the protesters, saying only an "appropriate police plan" was in place. A London Stock Exchange spokesman declined to comment.
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ployed-for-wall-st-copycat-protest-in-city.do
 
free spirit said:
Good luck to whoever's involved, I'd not be anyway, but definitely wouldn't given their statement about the anti-globalisation movement, which to me is just disrespectful bollocks. If they get millions on the streets and change the world, I'll admit they might have had a point, but while it's 3 tents in manchester telling the world manchester is now occupied I'm thinking we were a little more swarmlike and global in our reach.
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What did they say about the anti-globalisation movement? do you have a link? that's very dissapointing as I'd see it as the most directly comparable movement, and one they should be learning from and respecting - they will piss off a lot of very competent activists by doing that..
 
Excited as I am, and admiring of all of all comrades involved in getting this exciting project underway, I think a concern needs to be addressed early doors:

It is inevtitable that street based occupations will attract street based people. Some of their politics may be sound. Others may not. Some will be vulnerable, others will feel intimidating and cause genuine safety concerns. This is not alarmist prejudiced bullshit, I am not going to jeapodise people's anonymitity by going it to how I know that it aint. What happens if a bunch of dodgy lowlife decide to hand out and run the show, or just create a bad impression and get threatening etc. Can you force them to fuck off? Why should they? I hope people realise this concern is well founded and sincere, and that comrades can give it some thought in advance of such instances arising.

Separately, with regard to other occupations in this wave, I just don't sense the same level of sneeriness from the public or even the press as there would have been in the past.

I sense a turning of the tide. Quite where it will lead is too early to tell. Such occupations shouldnt respond to early pressure to draw up "manifestos" in my opinion. It is the 24 hour media cycle that exerts these pressures. Such short termism isnt a million miles from the market madness that rightfully sees more people taking to the streets in this fashion.
Love and light to all, and best wishes for tomorrow. If I had to sacrifice Welsh victory for an occupation success I would do it in a heartbeat.
 
BigTom said:
What did they say about the anti-globalisation movement? do you have a link? that's very dissapointing as I'd see it as the most directly comparable movement, and one they should be learning from and respecting - they will piss off a lot of very competent activists by doing that..
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from the quote in the OP
The antiglobalization movement was the first step on the road. Back then our model was to attack the system like a pack of wolves. There was an alpha male, a wolf who led the pack, and those who followed behind. Now the model has evolved. Today we are one big swarm of people.
— Raimundo Viejo, Pompeu Fabra University, Barcelona, Spain
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apparently we were all blindly following some unnamed alpha male leader or some such bollocks. Maybe I'm being oversensitive here, but given that the consensus decision making process they're using is the exact same process used by dissent, and I've seen it used by earth first, RTS etc in the 90's and it was fairly common throughout the anti globalisation movement worldwide, I'm fucking baffled by this statement and why it's being used on a call out now. Seems at best pretty clueless.
 
cheers.. I thought it might be that after I posted.. I agree with you really, I don't understand that statement, and I was only ever involved with rts/anti-globalisation stuff as a participant going along to some of the major protests.
 
That statement is utter bollocks but, to be fair, that is just one quote from one indvidual, not worth spitting feathers about.

To me this seems very much like the anti-capitlalist protests of 1999 - 2001 mark 2. Cos events have proved we were absolutely bang on the money.
 
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