Nicely-worded job advert. Men only need apply?

[ymu]

Hi James

I saw this job and I thought it would be ideal for me. But this requirement rather stopped me in my tracks.

"Provide face-to-face statistical input for projects to which he is assigned"

You are clearly not interested in recruiting a woman to this post, so I won't be applying.

Regards

ymu

 

[Kanda]

Or just badly worded....

 

[strung out]

Or just badly worded....

i reckon this

 

[TopCat]

You should try the publishing industry.

 

[purves grundy]

Or just badly worded....

i reckon this

Yeah, deffo i reckon. Only a twat would write the bombastic and unnecessary words "to which he is assigned"... would you provide statistical input to projects you had fuck all to do with?

 

[Badgers]

You should try the publishing industry.

i reckon this

 

[Kizmet]

Is it really that big a deal? Seems like a little mistake to me.

And at least you proved you have an eye for detail.

 

[stuff_it]

Yeah, deffo i reckon. Only a twat would write the bombastic and unnecessary words "to which he is assigned"... would you provide statistical input to projects you had fuck all to do with?

Sounds like a well shit place to work anyway.

Dunno,only person I've ever met with an MA in statistics was far far worse at statistics than I am!

 

[Kizmet]

.

 

[ymu]

It is obviously an error, yes. It's not a random error though, is it?

Anyways, he got back to me quickly.

ymu

Thank you for bringing this to my attention I will now take action to have this removed and replaced.

I think you’ll probably understand there was no intention, moreover a grammatical error on my part.

Apologies for any offence caused and having looked at your profile on linkedin, I firmly believe that we would be very interested to speak to you.

 

[strung out]

all sorted then!

 

[xenon]

Maybe it's from a legal tradition, in that all laws are phrased with he AFAIK? Yeah, patriarchy and whatnot but maybe that's where it's come from, as a habit. Don't know why the nutral "they," isn't used more.

e2a p'raps not.

 

[ymu]

Sounds like a well shit place to work anyway.

Dunno,only person I've ever met with an MA in statistics was far far worse at statistics than I am!

It would be an MSc, but that's not at all implausible. It takes four years working in a specific area of research to become professionally qualified just in that specific area. You wouldn't let a newly graduated masters student loose on much.

 

[Kizmet]

It is obviously an error, yes. It's not a random error though, is it?

Anyways, he got back to me quickly.

He probably c&p'd it from an old advert.

 

[ymu]

From the 1970s?

 

[100% masahiko]

Are you a Senior Statistician?

 

[Kizmet]

From the 1970s?

I used to do that... as the job role changed all I did was add to and amend the previous one. I reckon the first few lines probably dated back to the turn of the century.

Ye olde jobbe fpecification...

 

[The Octagon]

Fair play to him for replying I reckon, you weren't exactly polite in your initial contact over what appears to be a simple mistake, he could have just ignored it.

 

[ymu]

Are you a Senior Statistician?

What do you think?

 

[Kanda]

Are you going to apply now?

Bit of a minor reason to not apply for a job isn't it??

 

[ymu]

Are you going to apply now?

Bit of a minor reason to not apply for a job isn't it??

I'm not employable, Kanda. I don't sleep normal times, and I'm too old to skip sleep now. It's why I'm self-employed. And even if I was looking for a job, I don't do research for the pharmaceutical industry because they kill people for profit. I do training for them sometimes, but only if I can use their most egregious frauds as examples without getting escorted off the premises.

But no, it's not a minor reason. It is suggestive of the kind of atmosphere in public sector clinical research twenty years ago. I was the only women in any meeting for the first 2-3 years, and I was often ignored all the way through, unless someone wanted coffee pouring or their expense forms dealing with.

I wouldn't be applying for a job in that kind of atmosphere again. My male boss was fantastic, but it shouldn't take a bloke leaping up to pour coffee and pretending not to know the answers to questions for a woman to not be ignored by colleagues. Just the fact that the job ad could have been written in those terms sets off alarm bells.

I don't need to put up with that kind of bullshit any more, so I don't.

 

[weltweit]

I think it is more the case that with the speed of internet job boards the publishers are not anymore checking all adverts placed there.

It is illegal to advertise for a man or a woman specifically (iirc) .. and usually the publisher will pick you up if you do try that.

 

[ymu]

I never claimed it was a deliberate error. That doesn't mean it was a random one.

They have taken it seriously. I got this after the initial response.

Thank you for your understanding, I can now confirm that all adverts have been requested to be deleted.

 

[silverfish]

Whats the drama it appears to be a job you are dead set against, you just appear to be wasting energy getting bothered by it

 

[Kizmet]

And even if I was looking for a job, I don't do research for the pharmaceutical industry because they kill people for profit.

Fair play. They are, in general, vile organisations.. run by cunts... staffed by good, but misguided people.

It's their use of statistical methods to promote whatever the fuck they wanted to promote that has largely contributed to my distrust of that form of analysis.

 

[ymu]

Many thanks to all the men for putting my empty little head straight on this one. I'll write and tell him he need not have panicked and pulled all the adverts because there's really no need to address simple errors like this. The fact that the recruiter visualised a man in the role has nothing to do with anything at all, obv. So good of you all to put me straight from a position of knowing exactly what the fuck you're talking about. Silly me.

 

[ymu]

Fair play. They are, in general, vile organisations.. run by cunts... staffed by good, but misguided people.

It's their use of statistical methods to promote whatever the fuck they wanted to promote that has largely contributed to my distrust of that form of analysis.

I've been unpicking their lies on bahalf of the NHS for 17 years. It's why I don't do research for them.

I'll still ask them to maintain some minimum recruitment standards though.

 

[Kizmet]

The fact that the recruiter visualised a man in the role has nothing to do with anything at all

The person who wrote the ad might not be the recruiter. Or that c&p thing... or the recruiter has only ever worked with men in the past and unconsciously wrote it.

Whatever. It's not evidence of sexism... but I believe you entirely that it exists in that profession.

 

[Callie]

well done ymu for pulling them up on it and getting the advert changed.

 

[Kizmet]

I've been unpicking their lies on bahalf of the NHS for 17 years. It's why I don't do research for them.

I'll still ask them to maintain some minimum recruitment standards though.

No offence, but that organisation has peddled a fair few mistruths of it's own in it's time. I'll stick to distrusting pretty much everything anyone with something to gain from it says.

Fair play on kicking their butt, though.