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danny la rouge said:
What's unfair about the public voting for people they want to keep? That's how it works. It could just go on the judges' decisions. But it wouldn't be such a good show if it did.

It's sad for Cherie, but I'm not sorry to see James go; he's an arrogant arse.

Plus he's wrong: it isn't a dance competition; it's a celebrity dance show with a phone-in element.
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The only thing duller than JS is the pack of Gradgrindian dullards who go around saying this.

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
 
It is not a dance purist show of totally unknown dancers, no, that is 'Dirty Dancing on Living TV' which nobody watches, or Come Dancing which was canned. But you are missing the point, Danny and everyone else who says
' it's a personality contest'

It IS, a dance show of celebrities learning to dance

not celebrities being lovable old codgers
not celebs being pretty
not celebs being hunky

but celebrities LEARNING TO DANCE and COMPETING in a DANCE COMPETITION.

Their personalities are part of it. But personality alone is not enough.

The interesting thing for viewers is how these people - who we feel that we know something about because they are slebs not complete unknowns - cope with learning how to dance these vaguely archaic, slightly peculiar, physically gruelling highly technical dances when they are not dancers but have other careers as singers, pundits, actors, what have you.

That is what makes the show interesting and why millions tune in to watch it.
It is about the 'journey' ( wanky word) these people go on - and how the audience gets to see them change from 2 left feet to sequinned up foxtrotters performing dances which anyone can judge whether they performed well or not, even if they are not a dance judge. They see the effort involved. They see how hard it is. They cheer the lifts, they clap when they glide across the floor, they wince when they do it badly.


If there was a personality contest, Sargeant would win, yes, but it's not, it's a personality-contest-DANCE show.

Let me explain how annoying this is for me with an example.
It's just as annoying as having some beautiful but not-at-all funny person on Have I Got News For You, just because they look nice, when in fact they don't add anything to the programme. HIGNFY is a satirical/funny/news show - you expect the guests to deliver the bare minimum of knowing about current affairs and having something to say. Being 'cute' is not enough. Especially not week after week, when you keep wasting a place that could be used by someone with much more to contribute in the spirit of the show.

John Sergeant is cute, but it is not enough.
He has to dance, and he can't dance. He has no business knocking people who can dance and are entertaining out of a dance entertainment show.

It was kind of funny at first, but now it is not very funny and it is unfair.

edit: I know it's not the judges' fault they have to bin one of the two lowest scored - I wish I knew who thought it was so funny to repeat-vote Segeant though - people I spoke to thought it was fantastically funny at first but nobody I've spoken to today has thought it funny. Who are these fuckers?
 
Badger Kitten said:
It was kind of funny at first, but now it is not very funny and it is unfair.
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No, its not funny, but its also not unfair - in fact its decided in the fairest way possible by asking a large number of people (the viewing public) to vote.

People are asked to vote for their favourites - I suppose that's what they are doing.
 
Badger Kitten said:
It IS, a dance show of celebrities learning to dance
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Yes, celebrities learning to dance. Which John is doing.

I like watching him learning how to dance. He's not an athlete, or someone who you'd expect to have natural ability, but he's giving it a go, and having fun doing it. That's what I like. That's what I want to see. And so do loads of other viewers. And, frankly, the producers know that, even if the judges don't, or it wouldn't be a 'celebrity' show. Why book people like John at all? Because a sizeable proportion of the audience want to watch people like John.

If the judges want Come Dancing, they can have it, but it wouldn't get the audiences Strictly does.
 
felixthecat said:
People are asked to vote for their favourites - I suppose that's what they are doing.
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Exactly. Tess says just that every time: "If you want your favourite to stay in, you have to vote for them." Not: "Please endorse the judges' verdicts by phoning in in the following proportions..."
 
Badger Kitten said:
It is not a dance purist show of totally unknown dancers, no, that is 'Dirty Dancing on Living TV' which nobody watches, or Come Dancing which was canned. But you are missing the point, Danny and everyone else who says
' it's a personality contest'

It IS, a dance show of celebrities learning to dance

not celebrities being lovable old codgers
not celebs being pretty
not celebs being hunky

but celebrities LEARNING TO DANCE and COMPETING in a DANCE COMPETITION.

Their personalities are part of it. But personality alone is not enough.

The interesting thing for viewers is how these people - who we feel that we know something about because they are slebs not complete unknowns - cope with learning how to dance these vaguely archaic, slightly peculiar, physically gruelling highly technical dances when they are not dancers but have other careers as singers, pundits, actors, what have you.

That is what makes the show interesting and why millions tune in to watch it.
It is about the 'journey' ( wanky word) these people go on - and how the audience gets to see them change from 2 left feet to sequinned up foxtrotters performing dances which anyone can judge whether they performed well or not, even if they are not a dance judge. They see the effort involved. They see how hard it is. They cheer the lifts, they clap when they glide across the floor, they wince when they do it badly.


If there was a personality contest, Sargeant would win, yes, but it's not, it's a personality-contest-DANCE show.

Let me explain how annoying this is for me with an example.
It's just as annoying as having some beautiful but not-at-all funny person on Have I Got News For You, just because they look nice, when in fact they don't add anything to the programme. HIGNFY is a satirical/funny/news show - you expect the guests to deliver the bare minimum of knowing about current affairs and having something to say. Being 'cute' is not enough. Especially not week after week, when you keep wasting a place that could be used by someone with much more to contribute in the spirit of the show.

John Sergeant is cute, but it is not enough.
He has to dance, and he can't dance. He has no business knocking people who can dance and are entertaining out of a dance entertainment show.

It was kind of funny at first, but now it is not very funny and it is unfair.

edit: I know it's not the judges' fault they have to bin one of the two lowest scored - I wish I knew who thought it was so funny to repeat-vote Segeant though - people I spoke to thought it was fantastically funny at first but nobody I've spoken to today has thought it funny. Who are these fuckers?
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Your description missed the vital trunk element of the show, its a fund raiser for a charity. Keeping in a controversial JS guarantees phone calls coz the only way of getting rid of him is for him to get one of the least number phone votes. Sets up an interesting dynamic between those interesed in being entertained and those interested in the welfare of kids.

Who are the fuckers now?
 
gosub said:
Your description missed the vital trunk element of the show, its a fund raiser for a charity. Keeping in a controversial JS guarantees phone calls coz the only way of getting rid of him is for him to get one of the least number phone votes. Sets up an interesting dynamic between those interesed in being entertained and those interested in the welfare of kids.

Who are the fuckers now?
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No it isn't anymore due to changes after the phone voting scandal
 
QueenOfGoths said:
No it isn't anymore due to changes after the phone voting scandal
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Ah fair enough, that makes Blue Peter et al the fuckers. John Sargent is fucking useless. But rembering back Strictly has been here before and the judges behaved the same way: with Chris Parker and with hind sight perhaps if they had thanked him for being a good sport and raising shed loads of cash by humiliating himself for charity, might of prevented his later suicide attempt.
Dancing should be about having fun though.
 
Below is from

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/vote/


"Voting is by telephone only. The numbers for each couple dancing that week will be given out during the live show.
Vote lines are opened and closed as specified on the programme. Please do not call after the lines have closed as your vote will not be counted, but you may still be charged. Please be aware voting times may change.
Each phone vote costs 15p from a BT landline. Other networks may vary. Calls from mobiles will be considerably higher"
 
Given the phone in scandals of recent times, I bet the BBC are REALLY pissed off that they just can't pretend John didn't get enough votes....
 
liampreston said:
Given the phone in scandals of recent times, I bet the BBC are REALLY pissed off that they just can't pretend John didn't get enough votes....
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Why? Viewers are voting for him, and want to see him? Why would they not want to give their audience something they want?
 
spirals said:
That me and my shadow dance was excruciating to watch!
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noooo - it was aces. forsyth is one of the old school... they had to be good at everything to be in showbiz. he's fucking astonishing.:cool:


as re: john sergant. all the outrage from the judges - i reckon tis manufactured to a large extent... we see it most years. bloody useless julian clary was in the semifinal, iirc.

i thought JS came over well on claudia's show today. and i didn't like cherie cos she was smug, so y'know, who gives a toss?
 
as i said on the other thread, as much as i am fed up of john now , him feeling he needs to step down leaves a bt of a sour taste

makes this saturdays show a bit of a shambles really - am assuming there will be no public vote etc?
 
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